{"id":81616,"date":"2021-06-10T00:15:00","date_gmt":"2021-06-10T07:15:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/?p=81616"},"modified":"2021-06-14T08:10:35","modified_gmt":"2021-06-14T15:10:35","slug":"pwj-s4e71","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/2021\/06\/10\/pwj-s4e71\/","title":{"rendered":"PWJ: S4E71 &#8211; AH &#8211; &#8220;After Hours&#8221; with Marilyn R. Pukkila"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/S4E71.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/S4E71.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-81622\" srcset=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/S4E71.png 860w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/S4E71-300x169.png 300w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/S4E71-768x432.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 860px) 100vw, 860px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this &#8220;After Hours&#8221; episode, David discussed a wide range of Inklings-related topics with Marilyn R. Pukkila, known to some in the Tolkien community as &#8220;Marilyn, The Librarian&#8221;&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>S4E71: &#8220;After Hours&#8221; with Marilyn R. Pukkila<\/strong> (<a href=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/PWJ-S4E71.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Download<\/a>)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/PWJ-S4E71.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" id=\"block-51396fab-e50d-4cf5-92e3-e840026c934b\">If you enjoy this episode, you can subscribe&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/TheEagleAndChildPodcast\" target=\"_blank\">manually<\/a>, or&nbsp;any place where good podcasts can be found&nbsp;(<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-eagle-and-child-podcast-restless-pilgrim\/id1289456381\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/play.google.com\/music\/m\/Ixvobfgi2wk4rkdegdnbdqjjh44?t=The_Eagle_and_Child\" target=\"_blank\">Google Play<\/a>, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Pints-with-Jack\/dp\/B08K57WLYB\/\" target=\"_blank\">Amazon<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/podcast-detail\/wqkqe-5e798\/The+Eagle+and+Child\" target=\"_blank\">Podbean<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=159766&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">Stitcher<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/radio\/The-Eagle-and-Child-p1079872\/\" target=\"_blank\">TuneIn<\/a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/overcast.fm\/itunes1289456381\/pints-with-jack\" target=\"_blank\">Overcast<\/a>), as well as on&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCcYFlFuyOmYL6LcuicqzULw\" target=\"_blank\">YouTube<\/a>. The roadmap for Season 4 is&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/pints-with-jack-season-4\/\">available here<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" id=\"block-a56ad4a8-f43a-4986-8d5f-09ffa487daa4\">More information about us can be found on our website,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pintswithjack.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">PintsWithJack.com<\/a>. If you\u2019d like to support us and get fantastic gifts,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/pintswithjack\">please join us on Patreon<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-2882b493-f1aa-48ab-8db6-3c40f02265fc\">Timestamps<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">00:00 \u2013 <em>Entering \u201cThe Eagle &amp; Child\u201d\u2026 <\/em><br>00:12 \u2013 <em>Welcome <\/em><br>00:35 \u2013 <em>Marilyn R. Pukkila <\/em><br>03:57 \u2013 <em>Quote-of-the-week <\/em><br>04:39 \u2013 <em>Drink-of-the-week <\/em><br>05:07 \u2013 <em>Patreon Toast <\/em><br>06:08 \u2013 <em>Haiku <\/em><br>06:50 \u2013 <em>Discussion: PPP Moot <\/em><br>08:41 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Nine Tolkien Themes <\/em><br>12:40 \u2013 <em>Discussion: LOTR Movies <\/em><br>17:16 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Tolkien Biopic <\/em><br>19:55 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Lewis &amp; Our Lady <\/em><br>22:06 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Addison&#8217;s Walk <\/em><br>24:24 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Till We Have Faces <\/em><br>35:27 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Joy Davidman <\/em><br>41:15 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Wonder Woman &amp; Captain Marvel <\/em><br>44:06 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Owen Barfield and TWHF <\/em><br>49:51 \u2013 <em>\u201cLast Call\u201d Bell and More Information<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-256e7e4a-897b-43e2-a2ed-609bf087c84b\">YouTube Version<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/NKhiyneU6q0?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-a885e324-ccf9-42f2-9e03-3f3eb5dc7d6b\">After Show Skype Session<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">David has interviewed <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/fountainsofcarrots.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcaster<\/a> and &#8220;Word On Fire&#8221; Fellow, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/HaleyCarrots\" target=\"_blank\">Haley Stewart<\/a> about the<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.wordonfire.org\/resources\/blog\/club-451-dont-burn-these-books-read-them-with-word-on-fire\/30628\/\" target=\"_blank\"> upcoming book club<\/a> on &#8220;Till We Have Faces&#8221; and her <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wordonfire.org\/resources\/blog\/till-we-have-faces-confession-and-the-veil-of-self-deceit\/31457\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">recent article<\/a> linking the book to the Sacrament of Confession&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/0eaZGRvgpaA?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-27508392-5bf9-4ea7-9a6d-34a4e3476c70\">Show Notes<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Quote-of-the-week<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Since we have Marilyn The Librarian with us today, the QOTW comes from <em>Surprised By Joy<\/em>, where Jack is describes the school library:<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>The other undisguised blessing of the Coll was &#8220;the Gurney&#8221;, the school library; not only because it was a library, but because it was sanctuary<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Surprised By Joy<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><em>The other undisguised blessing of the Coll was &#8220;the Gurney&#8221;, the school library; not only because it was a library, but because it was sanctuary.<br>&#8211; C.S. Lewis, Surprised By Joy<\/em><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Drink-of-the-week<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>The drink-of-the-week for David was drinking Earl Grey Tea. Marilyn was drink Andy Serkis&#8217; recipe for Gollum Juice:<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/6hAmU_5urak?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;start=119&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Patreon Toast<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>We\u2019ve had a bunch of new Patreon supporters recently, so we need to toast one of our newest, Kevin L:<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Kevin, we pray that, despite Lewis\u2019 assertion to the contrary for himself, that one day you\u2019ll find a book long enough and a cup of tea big enough to truly satisfy you\u2026 (but if you\u2019re in a library, not at the same time &#8211; no drinks allowed!)<\/p><cite>Patreon Toast<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Haiku<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Marilyn wrote a haiku for us!<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Brutal rejection<br>Radical transformation<br>Queen and Psyche both<\/p><cite>Marilyn&#8217;s Haiku, &#8220;Orual&#8221;<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Discussion Outline<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Tolkien<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Marilyn told us about Prancing Pony Podcast Digital Moot.<\/li><li>Marilyn unpacked some of her Nine Tolkien Themes (drawn largely from Letter 131):<ul><li>Fall, Mortality, and The Machine<\/li><li><strong>The dangers of possessiveness<\/strong><\/li><li>The need of creatures of a creator-God to do their own sub-creating<\/li><li><strong>Great events are often caused by the small and weak<\/strong><\/li><li>\u201cArt\u201d created for the sake of art\/creativity (which can appear to be magic)<\/li><li>Evil contains its own destruction, and unintentionally aids the good (by design)<\/li><li>The necessity of free will in all choices (to carry out the design)<\/li><li>The danger of power to all but The One (Eru Il\u00favatar)<\/li><li><strong>The need of the noble and the vulgar, the wise and the simple for each other<\/strong><\/li><\/ul><\/li><li>David and Marilyn spoke about the Peter Jackson movies and the Tolkien biopic from a few years ago. <\/li><li>In one of her emails, Marilyn commented on the \u201cYou Don\u2019t know Jack\u201d episode commenting on something Tolkien-related which she hadn\u2019t come across before\u2026<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Myth and Till We Have Faces<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Marilyn talked a little bit about Addison&#8217;s Walk.<\/li><li>David and Marilyn spoke for a while about <em style=\"font-size: 1rem\">Till We Have Faces<\/em><span style=\"font-size: 1rem\">.<\/span><\/li><li>The interview drew to conclusion with a discussion about <em>Barfield Month<\/em>.<\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In this &#8220;After Hours&#8221; episode, David discussed a wide range of Inklings-related topics with Marilyn R. 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