{"id":81285,"date":"2021-05-27T00:15:00","date_gmt":"2021-05-27T07:15:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/?p=81285"},"modified":"2021-05-27T06:58:13","modified_gmt":"2021-05-27T13:58:13","slug":"pwj-s4e67","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/2021\/05\/27\/pwj-s4e67\/","title":{"rendered":"PWJ: S4E67 &#8211; AH &#8211; &#8220;After Hours&#8221; with Alan C. Duncan"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/S4E67.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/S4E67.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-81432\" srcset=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/S4E67.png 860w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/S4E67-300x169.png 300w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/S4E67-768x432.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 860px) 100vw, 860px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A few months ago, David and his wife, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.PintsWithChesterton.com\" target=\"_blank\">Marie<\/a>, were sent an <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/thepublicsquare.com\/the-public-square-app-for-you\/\" target=\"_blank\">audiobook<\/a> about the influence on C.S. Lewis by G.K Chesterton and thought it was the perfect opportunity for a cross-over episode with the author, <a href=\"https:\/\/alancduncan.net\/\">Alan C. Duncan<\/a>!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>S4E67: &#8220;After Hours&#8221; with Alan C. Duncan<\/strong> (<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/PWJ-S4E67.mp3\" target=\"_blank\">Download<\/a>)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/PWJ-S4E67.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" id=\"block-51396fab-e50d-4cf5-92e3-e840026c934b\">If you enjoy this episode, you can subscribe&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/TheEagleAndChildPodcast\" target=\"_blank\">manually<\/a>, or&nbsp;any place where good podcasts can be found&nbsp;(<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-eagle-and-child-podcast-restless-pilgrim\/id1289456381\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/play.google.com\/music\/m\/Ixvobfgi2wk4rkdegdnbdqjjh44?t=The_Eagle_and_Child\" target=\"_blank\">Google Play<\/a>, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Pints-with-Jack\/dp\/B08K57WLYB\/\" target=\"_blank\">Amazon<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/podcast-detail\/wqkqe-5e798\/The+Eagle+and+Child\" target=\"_blank\">Podbean<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=159766&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">Stitcher<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/radio\/The-Eagle-and-Child-p1079872\/\" target=\"_blank\">TuneIn<\/a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/overcast.fm\/itunes1289456381\/pints-with-jack\" target=\"_blank\">Overcast<\/a>), as well as on&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCcYFlFuyOmYL6LcuicqzULw\" target=\"_blank\">YouTube<\/a>. The roadmap for Season 4 is&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/pints-with-jack-season-4\/\">available here<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" id=\"block-a56ad4a8-f43a-4986-8d5f-09ffa487daa4\">More information about us can be found on our website,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pintswithjack.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">PintsWithJack.com<\/a>. If you\u2019d like to support us and get fantastic gifts,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/pintswithjack\">please join us on Patreon<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-2882b493-f1aa-48ab-8db6-3c40f02265fc\">Timestamps<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">00:10 \u2013 <em>Entering \u201cThe Eagle &amp; Child\u201d\u2026 <\/em><br>00:15 \u2013 <em>Welcome <\/em><br>00:49 \u2013 <em>Alan C. Duncan <\/em><br>02:08 \u2013 <em>Quote-of-the-week <\/em><br>02:47 \u2013 <em>Drink-of-the-week <\/em><br>04:21 \u2013 <em>Patreon Toast <\/em><br>04:55 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Alan&#8217;s Background <\/em><br>06:57 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Meeting C.S.L. and G.K.C. <\/em><br>08:40 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Audiobook Genesis <\/em><br>11:48 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Chesterton Doodles <\/em><br>13:38 \u2013 <em>Discussion: G.K.C. vs. C.S.L. <\/em><br>16:37 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Getting the audiobook <\/em><br>17:38 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Research <\/em><br>21:20 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Mrs. Duncan&#8217;s Question <\/em><br>27:13 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Goblins &amp; Goodness <\/em><br>30:24 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Appetite of Infancy <\/em><br>34:10 \u2013 <em>Discussion: The Binding Bet of Marriage <\/em><br>37:58 \u2013 <em>Discussion: The Screwtape Hypothesis <\/em><br>40:28 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Lewis&#8217; Letters to Children <\/em><br>42:34 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Chesterton Debates <\/em><br>45:18 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Main Takeaway <\/em><br>46:17 \u2013 <em>Alan C. Duncan <\/em><br>47:26 \u2013 <em>\u201cLast Call\u201d Bell and Closing Thoughts<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-256e7e4a-897b-43e2-a2ed-609bf087c84b\">YouTube Version<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/rb5AC8Y5X8k?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-a885e324-ccf9-42f2-9e03-3f3eb5dc7d6b\">After Show Skype Session<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>No Skype Session today!<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-27508392-5bf9-4ea7-9a6d-34a4e3476c70\">Show Notes<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-9a5c05ab-2df3-4086-b1f7-70d12e5536d9\">Pints Crossover <\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Today was a special crossover episode with David&#8217;s wife, Marie, from <em style=\"font-size: 1rem\">Pints With Chesterto<\/em><em>n<\/em>. They were both sent an <a style=\"font-size: 1rem\" href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/3lQADksO6M8\">audiobook<\/a> by Alan C. Duncan about C.S. Lewis and G.K. Chesterton so they decided to interview him together!<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Quote-of-the-week<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>The quote-of-the-week is from Lewis\u2019 spiritual autobiography,<em> Surprised By Joy<\/em>, where he talks about the influence of Chesterton upon him\u2026<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>It was here that I first read a volume of Chesterton&#8217;s essays. I had never heard of him and had no idea of what he stood for; nor can I quite understand why he made such an immediate conquest of me\u2026 In reading Chesterton, as in reading MacDonald, I did not know what I was letting myself in for. A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. There are traps everywhere\u2026<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Surprised By Joy<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Drink-of-the-week<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>For the drink-of-the-week, David was drinking <strong><em>Monkey Shoulder<\/em><\/strong>, a gift from his wife. Since Marie was five months pregnant, she was drinking water. Alan was drinking<strong> <\/strong><em><strong>Bank Boss <\/strong><\/em>from <strong><em>Working Class Brewery<\/em><\/strong>.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Patreon Toast<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>The toast today was for <strong><em>Pints With Chesterton, Marie &amp; Grace, and David&#8217;s unborn child<\/em><\/strong>\u2026<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>May you all have lives filled with wit and whimsy! Cheers!<\/p><cite>Toast for Pints With Chesterton and Baby Bates<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Discussion Outline<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Biography<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Alan shared about his background, and told the story of how he began reading Lewis and Chesterton.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The Audiobook<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Alan explained the genesis of his <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/thepublicsquare.com\/the-public-square-app-for-you\/\" target=\"_blank\">audiobook<\/a>.<\/li><li>He also mentioned that it&#8217;s available in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Gilbert-Jack-Lewis-Reading-Chesterton-ebook\/dp\/B093CFLQLW\">Kindle<\/a>, although a print copy is forthcoming. <\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The Research<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>In the Preface of the audiobook you talk about how you did his research and Alan retold the story, how he discovered through an episode of <a href=\"https:\/\/uncommonsense.libsyn.com\/cslewis-vs-chesterton-debate\">Uncommon Sense with Nancy Brown (10:47-11:33)<\/a> that he found out Lewis&#8217; copies of Chesterton&#8217;s books and eventually found many of them at the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wheaton.edu\/academics\/academic-centers\/wadecenter\/\">Marion E Wade Center<\/a>.<\/li><li>Alan&#8217;s wife saw a possible problem with his research, so he called upon Walter Hooper and former guest of the show, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Charlie-W.-Starr\/e\/B001K8KJJS\">Dr. Charlie Starr<\/a> for help.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The Contents<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Alan spoke discussed the contents of Chapter 3, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=3lQADksO6M8&amp;t=2685s\"><em>Goblins &amp; Goodness<\/em><\/a>, and the connection which both Lewis and Chesterton had to George MacDonald. <\/li><li>In Chapter 6, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=3lQADksO6M8&amp;t=4933s\"><em>Appetite of Infancy<\/em><\/a>, Alan mentioned the Chesterton puppet shows. When David and Marie were in England, they got to see many of these toys. In that chapter, he also quoted David\u2019s favourite line from <em>On Three Ways of Writing for Children<\/em>: <\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/lh6.googleusercontent.com\/RBNSGfkka1qgxgBTg41lqqJUMqk8YplRyLLOSKA0WgHzTkKHFfyVpPw6qN043huguX0CJDFsqpCS0vuyJEjrM-I8J3mID9V61kvndEeNNvvs6vjjdvjcbBXwvgHjA2zmK9bBaPc\" alt=\"\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Marie asked Alan about Lewis and Chesterton&#8217;s marriages, which he touched upon in Chapter 8, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=3lQADksO6M8&amp;t=6474s\"><em>The Binding Bet of Marriage<\/em><\/a>.<\/li><li>Lastly, Alan spoke about the contents of Chapter 10, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=3lQADksO6M8&amp;t=8188s\">Jokes as Well as Justice<\/a>, which touched on Lewis&#8217; letters to children and Chesterton\u2019s humour when debating. He also presented his hypothesis about the interaction between Chesterton&#8217;s <em>Orthodoxy<\/em> and <em>The Screwtape Letters<\/em>. <\/li><li>Alan shared his main takeaway from doing this research and putting this audiobook together.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">More Information<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/alancduncan.net\/\" target=\"_blank\">Website<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/alancduncan\" target=\"_blank\">Twitter<\/a><\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A few months ago, David and Marie were sent an audiobook about the influence on C.S. Lewis by G.K Chesterton and they thought it was the perfect opportunity for a cross-over episode with the author, Alan C. 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