{"id":81282,"date":"2021-06-08T00:15:00","date_gmt":"2021-06-08T07:15:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/?p=81282"},"modified":"2021-06-10T16:29:14","modified_gmt":"2021-06-10T23:29:14","slug":"pwj-s4e70","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/2021\/06\/08\/pwj-s4e70\/","title":{"rendered":"PWJ: S4E70 &#8211; SPAT 2 &#8211; &#8220;Quantity over quality&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/S4E70-SPAT-Part-2-1.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/S4E70-SPAT-Part-2-1-1024x576.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-81329\" srcset=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/S4E70-SPAT-Part-2-1-1024x576.png 1024w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/S4E70-SPAT-Part-2-1-300x169.png 300w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/S4E70-SPAT-Part-2-1-768x432.png 768w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/S4E70-SPAT-Part-2-1-1536x864.png 1536w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/S4E70-SPAT-Part-2-1.png 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">David and guest co-host Dr. Brenton Dickieson resume their discussion of &#8220;Screwtape Proposes A Toast&#8221;. When it comes to souls, is it better to have quantity or quality?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>S4E70: Screwtape Proposes A Toast (Part 2 &#8211; &#8220;Quantity over Quality&#8221;)<\/strong> (<a href=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/PWJ-S4E70.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Download<\/a>)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/PWJ-S4E70.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" id=\"block-51396fab-e50d-4cf5-92e3-e840026c934b\">If you enjoy this episode, you can subscribe&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/TheEagleAndChildPodcast\" target=\"_blank\">manually<\/a>, or&nbsp;any place where good podcasts can be found&nbsp;(<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-eagle-and-child-podcast-restless-pilgrim\/id1289456381\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/play.google.com\/music\/m\/Ixvobfgi2wk4rkdegdnbdqjjh44?t=The_Eagle_and_Child\" target=\"_blank\">Google Play<\/a>, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Pints-with-Jack\/dp\/B08K57WLYB\/\" target=\"_blank\">Amazon<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/podcast-detail\/wqkqe-5e798\/The+Eagle+and+Child\" target=\"_blank\">Podbean<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=159766&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">Stitcher<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/radio\/The-Eagle-and-Child-p1079872\/\" target=\"_blank\">TuneIn<\/a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/overcast.fm\/itunes1289456381\/pints-with-jack\" target=\"_blank\">Overcast<\/a>), as well as on&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCcYFlFuyOmYL6LcuicqzULw\" target=\"_blank\">YouTube<\/a>. The roadmap for Season 4 is&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/pints-with-jack-season-4\/\">available here<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" id=\"block-a56ad4a8-f43a-4986-8d5f-09ffa487daa4\">More information about us can be found on our website,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pintswithjack.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">PintsWithJack.com<\/a>. If you\u2019d like to support us and get fantastic gifts,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/pintswithjack\">please join us on Patreon<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-2882b493-f1aa-48ab-8db6-3c40f02265fc\">Timestamps<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">00:09 \u2013 <em>Entering \u201cThe Eagle &amp; Child\u201d\u2026 <\/em><br>00:14 \u2013 <em>Welcome <\/em><br><strong><\/strong>00:58 \u2013 <em>Song-of-the-week <\/em><br><strong><\/strong>01:17 \u2013 <em>Quote-of-the-week <\/em><br>02:15 \u2013 <em>Drink-of-the-week <\/em><br>02:23 \u2013 <em>Chapter Summary <\/em><br>03:10 \u2013 <em>Discussion <\/em><br>53:07 \u2013 <em>\u201cLast Call\u201d Bell and Closing Thoughts<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-256e7e4a-897b-43e2-a2ed-609bf087c84b\">YouTube Version<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/UQoCD4BhlN4?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-a885e324-ccf9-42f2-9e03-3f3eb5dc7d6b\">After Show Skype Session<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>No Skype Session today!<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-27508392-5bf9-4ea7-9a6d-34a4e3476c70\">Show Notes<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-9a5c05ab-2df3-4086-b1f7-70d12e5536d9\">Song-of-the-week<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The song-of-the-week is The More I Drink by Blake Shelton:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/A3MGfJ3eMGA?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Well, if I have one, I&#8217;ll have thirteen<br>Naw, there ain&#8217;t no in-between<br>&#8216;Cause the more I drink, the more I drink<\/p><cite>Blake Shelton, The More I Drink<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-9a5c05ab-2df3-4086-b1f7-70d12e5536d9\">Quote-of-the-week<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><em>The great (and toothsome) sinners are made out of the very same material as those horrible phenomena the great Saints. The virtual disappearance of such material may mean insipid meals for us. But is it not utter frustration and famine for the Enemy?<\/em><\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Screwtape Proposes A Toast<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-9a5c05ab-2df3-4086-b1f7-70d12e5536d9\">Drink-of-the-week<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">David and Brenton were finishing off their drinks from the <a href=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/2021\/06\/01\/pwj-s4e68\/\" data-type=\"post\" data-id=\"81281\">previous episode<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-9a5c05ab-2df3-4086-b1f7-70d12e5536d9\">Chapter Summary<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Screwtape says that the night\u2019s meal was quantity over quality. He explains this isn\u2019t such a bad thing, as there is a risk in producing great sinners &#8211; their depravity might cause them to repent! <\/p><p>He explains the devils best draw souls to Hell by muddling their language and the creation of vice through repetition, which builds a deliberate, yet unarticulated rejection of Grace. <\/p><p>Hell\u2019s current strategy might produce mostly insipid sinners, but it also reduces the number of great Saints, and turns most people into sheep, who can be easily guided by just a few celebrities.<\/p><cite>Summary of Part 2 of Screwtape Proposes A Toast<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Discussion<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Just above the passing grade<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>What is it that so poor quality about the souls they consumed at the Tempter&#8217;s Dinner? Screwtape says that the souls they\u2019ve captured are small and flabby. The patients were so muddled, so passively responsive that&#8230;<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>&#8230;it was very hard to raise them to that level of clarity and deliberateness at which mortal sin becomes possible.<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Screwtape Proposes A Toast<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The idea of Mortal Sin is based on the first epistle of St. John:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that.<\/p><cite>1 John 5:16<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Catholic conception of Mortal Sin has three conditions, that the sin is Grave Matter, committed with full knowledge and deliberate Intent. What this means in English is that the person did something really bad, knew it to be really bad, but purposefully did it anyway.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><span style=\"font-size: 1rem\">Screwtape explains that it\u2019s a balancing act to give the patient enough clarity and deliberateness, but not too much because then all might be lost&#8230;&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/span><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>For then, of course, all would possibly have been lost. They might have seen; they might have repented.&nbsp;<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Screwtape Proposes A Toast<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">On the other hand, if they had been raised too little, they would very possibly have qualified for Limbo , as creatures suitable neither for Heaven nor for Hell; things that, having failed to make the grade, are allowed to sink into a more or less contented subhumanity forever.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Limbo is a a blurry term, a theological speculation about which many disagree. In Dante\u2019s Inferno, Limbo was actually the first Circle of Hell, the residence of the Virtuous Pagans and Unbaptized Souls. Lewis alludes to Limbo in The Pilgrim\u2019s Regress and also writes about Limbo to a fan:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>[I don&#8217;t] pretend to have any information on the fate of the virtuous unbeliever\u2026 [but] Residence in Limbo\u2026 is compatible with \u2018perishing everlastingly\u2019 and you\u2019ll find it quite jolly, whereas Heaven is an acquired taste, Limbo is a place of \u2018perfect&nbsp;natural happiness.\u2019 In fact you may be able to realize your wish \u2018of attending with one\u2019s whole mind to the history of the human spirit\u2019.\u2019 There are grand libraries in&nbsp;Limbo, endless discussions, and no colds. There will be a faint melancholy because you\u2019ll all know that you have missed the bus, but that will provide a subject for poetry. The scenery is pleasant though tame. The climate endless autumn\u201d<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis (5th April, 1939)<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Heavenly &amp; Hellish Creatures<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Screwtape unpacks the process of sinning. He seems to credit the patients with a significant amount of innocence in the early stages&#8230;<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>In each individual choice of what the Enemy would call the \u201cwrong\u201d turning, such creatures are at first hardly, if at all, in a state of full spiritual responsibility. They do not understand either the source or the real character of the prohibitions they are breaking.&nbsp;<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Screwtape Proposes A Toast<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">He says that they are easily influenced by their surroundings:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Their consciousness hardly exists apart from the social atmosphere that surrounds them.&nbsp;<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Screwtape Proposes A Toast<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&#8230;and, as we found out in <em>The Screwtape Letters<\/em>, the devils do their best to muddle their language:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>And of course we have contrived that their very language should be all smudge and blur; what would be a bribe in someone else&#8217;s profession is a tip or a present in theirs.&nbsp;<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Screwtape Proposes A Toast<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Maintaining the trajectory through hardening<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Screwtape says that it\u2019s the job of the tempers&#8230;<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>\u201cto harden these choices of the Hellward roads into a habit by steady repetition. But then (and this was all-important) to turn the habit into a principle \u2014 a principle the creature is prepared to defend. After that, all will go well.\u201d<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Screwtape Proposes A Toast<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>&nbsp; Screwtape says that humans initially have an instinct to confirm the social environment. He compares it to jelly\/jello conforming to a mould. However, he says that this instinct needs to be converted into an unacknowledged creed.&nbsp;&nbsp;They\u2019ll come to call the law they\u2019re breaking as \u201cconventional or Puritan or bourgeois \u2018morality.\u2019\u201d&nbsp; Over time this will become calcified:<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>&#8230;gradually there comes to exist at the center of the creature a hard, tight, settled core of resolution to go on being what it is, and even to resist moods that might tend to alter it.<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Screwtape Proposes A Toast<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It\u2019s small&#8230;but holds great promise\u2026 Screwtape calls it a young cancer!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>It is a very small core; not at all reflective (they are too ignorant) nor defiant (their emotional and imaginative poverty excludes that); almost, in its own way, prim and demure; like a pebble, or a very young cancer.&nbsp;<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Screwtape Proposes A Toast<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">However, Screwtape says that it\u2019ll serve them very well because&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Here at last is a real and deliberate, though not fully articulate, rejection of what the Enemy calls Grace.<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Screwtape Proposes A Toast<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>The Future<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Screwtape says that, as a consequence of everything he\u2019s been saying, they will continue to win lots of souls, a credit to the skill of the Tempters, so they\u2019ll be in no danger of famine, but the souls will be pretty tasteless, but they\u2019ll be in no danger of famine. He says the\u201cgreat\u201d sinners will not disappear but will grow rarer. <\/li><li>In contrast, the number of half-hearted souls will continue to increase:<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Our catches will be ever more numerous; but they will consist increasingly of trash \u2014 trash which we should once have thrown to Cerberus and the hellhounds as unfit for diabolical consumption.<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Screwtape Proposes A Toast<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Cerberus was the three-headed hound who guarded the gates of the underworld.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Demonic Lessons<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>While the prospect of poorer souls might seem depressing, Screwtape wants his listeners to realise that this is really a change for the better.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>The great (and toothsome) sinners are made out of the very same material as those horrible phenomena the great Saints. The virtual disappearance of such material may mean insipid meals for us. But is it not utter frustration and famine for the Enemy?&nbsp;<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Screwtape Proposes A Toast<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So, no great sinners, but also no great Saints! Screwtape seems to see this as a taunt to God:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>He did not create the humans \u2014 He did not become one of them and die among them by torture \u2014 in order to produce candidates for Limbo, \u201cfailed\u201d humans. He wanted to make them Saints; gods; things like Himself. Is the dullness of your present fare not a very small price to pay for the delicious knowledge that His whole great experiment is petering out?&nbsp;<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Screwtape Proposes A Toast<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>He also gives another advantage of having fewer great sinners\u2026 they also become far more effective because everyone else loses all individuality\u2026<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Every dictator or even demagogue \u2014 almost every film star or crooner \u2014 can now draw tens of thousands of the human sheep with him. They give themselves (what there is of them) to him; in him, to us. There may come a time when we shall have no need to bother about individual temptation at all, except for the few. Catch the bellwether, and his whole flock comes after him.<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Screwtape Proposes A Toast<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Note: <\/strong>The \u201cbellwether\u201d is the leading sheep of a flock, with a bell on its neck.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>David quoted an apocryphal saying of St. Theresa of Calcutta. He realized this when he listened back to the episode &#8211; he&#8217;s very ashamed.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-9a5c05ab-2df3-4086-b1f7-70d12e5536d9\">More Information<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Dr. Brenton Dickieson can be found on <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/bdickieson\" target=\"_blank\">Instagram<\/a>, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/BrentonDana\" target=\"_blank\">Twitter<\/a>, and his blog, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.aPilgrimInNarnia.com\" target=\"_blank\">A Pilgrim In Narnia<\/a>.<\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Continuing on from last week, David and guest co-host Brenton Dickieson continue to discuss &#8220;Screwtape Proposes A Toast&#8221;. 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