{"id":80668,"date":"2021-04-08T00:15:00","date_gmt":"2021-04-08T07:15:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/?p=80668"},"modified":"2021-04-08T10:11:05","modified_gmt":"2021-04-08T17:11:05","slug":"pwj-s4e53","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/2021\/04\/08\/pwj-s4e53\/","title":{"rendered":"PWJ: S4E53 \u2013 AH \u2013 &#8220;After Hours&#8221; with Jake Grefenstette"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/S4E53-Jake-Grefenstette-Banner.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"960\" height=\"540\" src=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/S4E53-Jake-Grefenstette-Banner.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-80738\" srcset=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/S4E53-Jake-Grefenstette-Banner.png 960w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/S4E53-Jake-Grefenstette-Banner-300x169.png 300w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/S4E53-Jake-Grefenstette-Banner-768x432.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 960px) 100vw, 960px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Today we continue &#8220;Barfield Month&#8221; by talking to Jake Grefensette about the literature and poetry of Owen Barfield.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>S4E53: &#8220;After Hours&#8221; with Jake Grefenstette<\/strong> (<a href=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/PWJ-S4E53.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Download<\/a>)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/04\/PWJ-S4E53.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" id=\"block-51396fab-e50d-4cf5-92e3-e840026c934b\">If you enjoy this episode, you can subscribe&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/TheEagleAndChildPodcast\" target=\"_blank\">manually<\/a>, or&nbsp;any place where good podcasts can be found&nbsp;(<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-eagle-and-child-podcast-restless-pilgrim\/id1289456381\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/play.google.com\/music\/m\/Ixvobfgi2wk4rkdegdnbdqjjh44?t=The_Eagle_and_Child\" target=\"_blank\">Google Play<\/a>, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Pints-with-Jack\/dp\/B08K57WLYB\/\" target=\"_blank\">Amazon<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/podcast-detail\/wqkqe-5e798\/The+Eagle+and+Child\" target=\"_blank\">Podbean<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=159766&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">Stitcher<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/radio\/The-Eagle-and-Child-p1079872\/\" target=\"_blank\">TuneIn<\/a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/overcast.fm\/itunes1289456381\/pints-with-jack\" target=\"_blank\">Overcast<\/a>), as well as on&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCcYFlFuyOmYL6LcuicqzULw\" target=\"_blank\">YouTube<\/a>. The roadmap for Season 4 is&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/pints-with-jack-season-4\/\">available here<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" id=\"block-a56ad4a8-f43a-4986-8d5f-09ffa487daa4\">More information about us can be found on our website,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pintswithjack.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">PintsWithJack.com<\/a>. If you\u2019d like to support us and get fantastic gifts,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/pintswithjack\">please join us on Patreon<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-2882b493-f1aa-48ab-8db6-3c40f02265fc\">Timestamps<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">00:00 \u2013 <em>Entering \u201cThe Eagle &amp; Child\u201d\u2026 <\/em><br>00:11 \u2013 <em>Welcome 00:39 \u2013 Jake Grefenstette <\/em><br>03:39 \u2013 <em>Quote-of-the-week <\/em><br>03:58 \u2013 <em>Drink-of-the-week <\/em><br>04:48 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Finding the Inklings and Barfield <\/em><br>06:10 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Barfield&#8217;s attraction <\/em><br>08:07 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Barfield&#8217;s critical works <\/em><br>16:27 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Barfield&#8217;s creative works <\/em><br>26:12 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Barfield&#8217;s poetry <\/em><br>32:26 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Barfield for Lewis fans <\/em><br>34:42 \u2013 <em>\u201cLast Call\u201d Bell and Closing Thoughts<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-256e7e4a-897b-43e2-a2ed-609bf087c84b\">YouTube Version<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/jo8YJj3ZE6Y?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-a885e324-ccf9-42f2-9e03-3f3eb5dc7d6b\">After Show Skype Session<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>No Skype Session today!<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-27508392-5bf9-4ea7-9a6d-34a4e3476c70\">Show Notes<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-9a5c05ab-2df3-4086-b1f7-70d12e5536d9\">Biography<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Originally from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Jake Grefenstette has studied theology, philosophy, and literature at the Universities of Notre Dame, Chicago, Beijing, Oxford, and now Cambridge, where he is working towards his PhD as a member of King\u2019s College. At Cambridge, Jake studies the legacy of Samuel Taylor Coleridge in 20th century thinkers like Owen Barfield, working at the intersection of theology and literature. Jake is also interested in the broader legacy of the Romantic tradition in Chinese poets like Xu Zhimo, Hai Zi, and Xi Chuan. Outside of his thesis, Jake is involved in the study and practice of film, evening holding a \u201cspecial thanks\u201d film credit on the extended cut of The Tree of Life. During his free time in Cambridge, he shoots and develops expired film stocks with his wife, Cristina. Nearly all photographic efforts spotlight their dog, Frodo Waggins.<\/p><cite>Biographical information for Jake Grefenstette<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-9a5c05ab-2df3-4086-b1f7-70d12e5536d9\">Chit Chat<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Jake mentioned that he recently looked at some Chinese translations of Lewis works &#8211; <em>The Screwtape L <\/em>is \u201cD\u00ecy\u00f9l\u00e1i h\u00f3ng,\u201d or \u201cLetters from Hell.\u201d All of the translated titles are all amazing.<\/li><li>Jake&#8217;s name was given to me by the first guest on Barfield Month, the Inkling\u2019s grandson, but when I sent my co-hosts the outline for the month, Matt Bush told me that he knew Jake.&nbsp;Cristina, his wife, worked with Matt in a student business organization at Notre Dame and took over Matt\u2019s role after he graduated. Jake also followed in Matt\u2019s footsteps in doing Notre Dame\u2019s year abroad at Oxford.<\/li><li>Jake managed to get a \u201cSpecial Thanks\u201d on the movie, <em>The Tree of Life<\/em>? He had always loved Terry\u2019s work and  was in Austin one summer working on a short film with one of his editors and had the opportunity to offer some notes on some extended cut edits.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Quote-of-the-week<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>The quote-of-the-week is probably one of my favourite quotations of Barfield\u2019s, coming from <em>History In English Words<\/em>:<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><em><em><em>\u201cThere is no surer or more illuminating way of reading a man&#8217;s character, and perhaps a little of his past history, than by observing the contexts in which he prefers to use certain words.\u201d<\/em><\/em><\/em><\/p><cite>Owen Barfield, History In English Words<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Drink-of-the-week<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>It\u2019s early in the morning and I\u2019m going to my godson\u2019s baptism in a couple of hours so the drink-of-the-week isn\u2019t too exciting &#8211; I\u2019m having some <strong><em>chrysanthemum tea<\/em><\/strong>\u2026&nbsp;<\/li><li>Since it was 5pm in Cambridge, Jake was drinking some Bushmill\u2019s tea, as a nod to Lewis\u2019s Northern Irish roots.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-27508392-5bf9-4ea7-9a6d-34a4e3476c70\">Discussion<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Background<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Jake grew up in a Catholic household, where Lewis and Tolkein were bookshelf staples. His first serious introduction to Barfield was over pints with some friends at the Eagle &amp; Child pub! He kept up an interest in him for a few years, but it\u2019s really been at Cambridge (\u201cthe other place\u201d) that he&#8217;s been able to do more focused work, where Barfield has garnered a pretty sizable following.<\/li><li><em>Poetic Diction <\/em>was the text that really caught Jake&#8217;s attention. Although Barfield really isn\u2019t on the radar of most practitioners of &#8220;theology and literature&#8221;, he clearly has a lot to bring to the conversation, and he seems only just on the cusp of gaining its due recognition.<\/li><li>In the first week of <em>Barfield Month<\/em>, Barfield\u2019s grandson gave us a very broad overview of his grandfather\u2019s life and works. In today&#8217;s episode Jake gives us a more detailed survey of Barfield\u2019s writings. A more complete survey of Barfield\u2019s works are accessible at <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.owenbarfield.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">Owen<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.owenbarfield.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">B<\/a><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.owenbarfield.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">arfield.org<\/a>.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Literature<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Critical\/Philosophical Works<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><em style=\"font-size: 1rem\"><strong>Poetic Diction<\/strong><\/em><span style=\"font-size: 1rem\"><strong>.<\/strong> was published in 1928, this is chronologically Barfield\u2019s third book, but the bulk of it was written earlier during his studies at Oxford. <\/span><ul><li><span style=\"font-size: 1rem\">It\u2019s a remarkable text which stages an innovative history of metaphor and poetic language. <\/span><\/li><li><span style=\"font-size: 1rem\">One of the things he speaks about is a \u201cfallacy\u201d in linguistics that sees language as becoming increasingly metaphorical\/poetrical over time. In contrast, when Barfield describes Homer&#8217;s works, he speaks of a \u201cmeaning still suffused with myth,\u201d with \u201cNature all alive in the thinking\u201d, such that \u201cthe gods are never far below the surface of Homer\u2019s language.\u201d <\/span><\/li><li>Hugely impactful for Lewis (and, perhaps to a less obvious extent, Tolkein) as well as some other important players in 20th century literary theory.&nbsp; There\u2019s a story that Lewis would quote Poetic Diction at Oxford so frequently that it became a joke amongst his students, and apparently many of these students held that Owen Barfield was <em>\u201csimply a name invented by Lewis when he wanted to put forward some idea he didn&#8217;t want to take full responsibility for\u201d<\/em>.<\/li><\/ul><\/li><li>In Poetic Diction, Barfield speaks of a regrettable lack of what he calls a poetic history of mankind, which he seeks to deliver in 1926 with <em><strong>History in English Words<\/strong><\/em>. <ul><li>It\u2019s a daring and experimental text which attempts just what it says: to trace English history <em>through words<\/em> back through Germanic and Greek and Latin and Sanskrit to a theoretical Indo-European language in order to speculate about history and the history of human consciousness. <\/li><li>Barfield hedges upfront his position as being wholly contingent on the state of contemporary philology, he\u2019s nevertheless willing to draw out some fascinating and daring implications about philosophy and religion generally.<\/li><\/ul><\/li><li><strong><em>Saving the Appearances: A Study in Idolatry<\/em><\/strong> was published in 1957, which many &#8212; including Barfield himself &#8212; consider his great mature work. <ul><li>This may be a worthwhile read for anyone interested in Lewis\u2019s <em>The Discarded Image<\/em>.<\/li><\/ul><\/li><li><em><strong>Speaker\u2019s Meaning<\/strong><\/em> in 1967 distills and develops key ideas from Poetic Diction and History and English Words.<\/li><li><em><strong>What Coleridge Thought<\/strong><\/em> is published in 1971, which is a central piece of Jake&#8217;s thesis at Cambridge. <ul><li>Barfield\u2019s reading of Coleridge is unique and sort of radical, but Jake appreciates the way Barfield takes Coleridge seriously as a Christian poet who thinks theologically through literature. This is in opposition to histories of reading Coleridge as a failed poet, or a self-repressive, heterodox pantheist who peppers Christianity into his verse only as a means of \u201ctoadying to orthodoxy\u201d. This book has been influential for some great modern readers of Coleridge, most notably, Malcolm Guite.<\/li><\/ul><\/li><li>Also important in this category of work are are <strong>Romanticism Comes of Age<\/strong> (1944), and <strong>The Rediscovery of Meaning<\/strong> (1977), two great collections of his essays. <\/li><li>Jake also made mention of a number of private letters and essays exchanged with Lewis which constitute a debate over meaning, truth, and the imagination they refer to (fondly) as \u201cThe Great War.\u201d<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Imaginative Works<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\" id=\"block-ad8437c4-6403-49b6-a872-cf4e8293d611\"><li><strong>The Silver Trumpet<\/strong> (1925) was, in many ways, the first fantastical effort by an Inkling. <ul><li>Hugely popular with Lewis, Tolkein, and their children. So obviously of immense historical importance. <\/li><li>Jake noted that the physical text of the titular trumpet is printed as if it were dancing about the page, reminding us of some of the structural innovations of EE Cummings or Apollinaire.<\/li><\/ul><\/li><li>Two years later, Barfield turned from fantasy to <strong>English People<\/strong>, his serious novel project. Barfield wrote to Lewis about this text in 1927, saying <em>\u201cI need your prayers just now. I have embarked on a really long and complicated novel.\u201d<\/em> Parts of the original manuscript are now lost, and the book still awaits proper publication, but Jake predicts an increase in interest in this book in years to come.<\/li><li>Barfield\u2019s writing slowed for a few years as he began his career as a solicitor in London, so the next important text was his verse drama <strong>Orpheus<\/strong> (1937; first performed 1948; published 1983), an adaptation of the great classic. <ul><li>Orpheus is one of the most adapted stories in history, but what\u2019s interesting about Barfield\u2019s version is the way in which the character of Orpheus is conflated with Barfield\u2019s principal influences from English literature. Speaking at once to a diegetic audience of animals (as well, of course, to the literal audience), Orpheus sings, <em>\u201cDear friends, who come to help me ease my pain \/ WIth your presence! Say, what can I do? You have saved me from madness\u2026 They cannot answer me&#8211;save with my voice. It is their bridge. I will sing to them again.\u201d<\/em>&nbsp; This scene and (we might say)&nbsp; its metatheatrical puns which Jake thinks interestingly invokes characters like Shakespeare\u2019s Prospero (specifically his speech at the end of The Tempest) as well as Coleridge\u2019s Mariner, who finds himself likewise impelled to repeat his tale.<\/li><\/ul><\/li><li>One of Jake&#8217;s personal favorite collection of Barfield writing is referred to as the \u201c<strong>Burgeon Trilogy<\/strong>\u201d: <strong>This Ever Diverse Pair<\/strong> in 1950, followed by <strong>Worlds Apart<\/strong> and <strong>Unancestral Voice<\/strong>.  <ul><li>These were all written during (and indeed often about) his experience as a solicitor in London. <\/li><li>The main character is described as aesthetically (though not necessarily psychologically) schizophrenic: his mind is split between \u201cBurgeon,\u201d the creative force, and \u201cBurden,\u201d who deals with the Kafka-esque absurdities and mundanities of modern life. <\/li><li>This is simultaneously a critique of modern society as well as a (very literal) staging of Coleridge\u2019s distinction between imagination and fancy. For Lewis fans, I think <em>Ever Diverse Pair<\/em> is the book to read. There\u2019s a whole chapter dedicated to a real life exchange with Lewis.<\/li><\/ul><\/li><li>Then there\u2019s<strong> Night Operation<\/strong> (1975; 2008), Barfield\u2019s sci-fi work, which will be a great read for a post-pandemic world.<\/li><li>I commented that when my wife and I met the grandson, Owen A. Barfield, last time we were back in England, he gave us a copy of <em>Eager Spring<\/em>.&nbsp;We both loved the writing, but it did seem like a couple of different books stuck together, with a bunch of pages shameless plugging Anthroposophy stuffed in the middle.<ul><li>Jake commented that the tendentious criticism is a common one. He suggested that the sense of stylistic or thematic fracture is something intentional in Barfield, having do with the kind of modern aesthetic \u201cschizophrenia\u201d he describes and stages in works like <em>This Ever Diverse Pair.&nbsp; <\/em><\/li><\/ul><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Poetry<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Until I began preparing for this season, I hadn\u2019t realized that Barfield was a poet\u2026 which I realize was a bit dumb, particularly considering my knowledge of the Inklings and the proclivities of all Barfield\u2019s friends&#8230; Jake said that my not knowing about his poetry is a reflection of a relatively meager publication history. Luckily, the history of Barfield\u2019s <em>lack <\/em>of poetic publications is itself fascinating, mostly because the editors who rejected his work were important figures in their own right. <ul><li>Barfield&#8217;s submission of some early poetry (from 1920s, among them his long poem <em>The Tower<\/em>) to <em>Criterion<\/em>, which was received and rejected by T.S. Eliot. The criticisms Eliot sends back to Barfield about his poems are vague: <em>\u201cI do not feel that you have quite reached the necessary point, though I hardly know why.\u201d<\/em> Later in his life, reflecting on this editorial rejection, Eliot says he considered Owen Barfield an artist <em>\u201ctoo valuable to let go,\u201d<\/em> a poet destined to <em>\u201cmake his mark in the long run,\u201d<\/em> and yet, speaking in an editorial capacity,<em> \u201cdifficult to sell.\u201d<\/em><\/li><li>But Eliot\u2019s prediction about making his (poetic) mark in the long run is really finally coming to term. Parlor Press in the US has just published an exciting volume featuring the long poem <em>The Tower<\/em> alongside other poems and plays. The volume\u2019s introduction features, among other resources, a great survey of Lewis\u2019s varying attitudes towards Barfield\u2019s poetry. <\/li><\/ul><\/li><li>But perhaps most exciting for your purposes is the Narnian language that shoots through a lot of his poems. In most cases, this seems to be cases of Lewis influencing Barfield; in other cases, as with his \u201cBig Bannister\u201d character, we have evidence of Barfield inspiring Lewis (materialized in that instance as the name of a student in The <em>Silver Chair<\/em>). Jake read a quick snippet of <em>The Tower <\/em>that I think you\u2019ll find exciting. The relationship to Lewis is transparent. This passage is early in the poem; it takes the form of an ekphrasis of an imaginary tapestry. Here it is:<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>&#8230;two children<\/p><p>Were out in a wide city, when the snow,<\/p><p>Already fallen, made the dark night blench<\/p><p>And, falling still, caressed them with shy touches,<\/p><p>Until they, wandering onward hopelessly,<\/p><p>Came to a Lion figured huge in stone<\/p><p>And entered magically a carven throat<\/p><p>Found red and warm inside, and soft with life\u2014<\/p><p>Then, by mysterious inward climbings, were<\/p><p>High on the narrow plinth that topped the column<\/p><p>Above their Lion, and among chill stars<\/p><p>Sailing the sky in a perilous barque of stone<\/p><p>Steered by a statue. . . . But the years had lent<\/p><p>Interior meaning to those baby pictures,<\/p><p>The white snow, the red gorge, the chiselled stone,<\/p><p>And the straight column tapering in the dark.<\/p><cite>Owen Barfield, The Tower<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>I\u2019ve heard Macolm Guite say that C.S. 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