{"id":79678,"date":"2021-03-04T00:15:00","date_gmt":"2021-03-04T07:15:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/?p=79678"},"modified":"2021-03-01T09:44:47","modified_gmt":"2021-03-01T16:44:47","slug":"pwj-s4e43","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/2021\/03\/04\/pwj-s4e43\/","title":{"rendered":"PWJ: S4E43 &#8211; AH &#8211; &#8220;After Hours&#8221; with Carolyn Curtis"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/S4E43-Banner.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/S4E43-Banner.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-80125\" srcset=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/S4E43-Banner.png 860w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/S4E43-Banner-300x169.png 300w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/S4E43-Banner-768x432.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 860px) 100vw, 860px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Carolyn Curtis, co-editor of <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Women-C-S-Lewis-Literature-Culture\/dp\/0745956947\" target=\"_blank\">&#8220;Women and C.S. Lewis&#8221;<\/a>, came on the show to discuss her book which was recently rereleased as an audiobook. In this work she gathers together a large number of C.S. Lewis writers to examine C.S. Lewis&#8217; life and literature in order to understand his relationship with women and respond to those who would charge Lewis with sexism.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>S4E43: &#8220;After Hours&#8221; with Carolyn Curtis<\/strong>\u00a0(<a href=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/PWJ-S4E43.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Download<\/a>)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/PWJ-S4E43.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" id=\"block-51396fab-e50d-4cf5-92e3-e840026c934b\">If you enjoy this episode, you can subscribe&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/TheEagleAndChildPodcast\" target=\"_blank\">manually<\/a>, or&nbsp;any place where good podcasts can be found&nbsp;(<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-eagle-and-child-podcast-restless-pilgrim\/id1289456381\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/play.google.com\/music\/m\/Ixvobfgi2wk4rkdegdnbdqjjh44?t=The_Eagle_and_Child\" target=\"_blank\">Google Play<\/a>, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Pints-with-Jack\/dp\/B08K57WLYB\/\" target=\"_blank\">Amazon<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/podcast-detail\/wqkqe-5e798\/The+Eagle+and+Child\" target=\"_blank\">Podbean<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=159766&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">Stitcher<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/radio\/The-Eagle-and-Child-p1079872\/\" target=\"_blank\">TuneIn<\/a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/overcast.fm\/itunes1289456381\/pints-with-jack\" target=\"_blank\">Overcast<\/a>), as well as on&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCcYFlFuyOmYL6LcuicqzULw\" target=\"_blank\">YouTube<\/a>. The roadmap for Season 4 is&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/pints-with-jack-season-4\/\">available here<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" id=\"block-a56ad4a8-f43a-4986-8d5f-09ffa487daa4\">More information about us can be found on our website,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pintswithjack.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">PintsWithJack.com<\/a>. If you\u2019d like to support us and get fantastic gifts,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/pintswithjack\">please join us on Patreon<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-2882b493-f1aa-48ab-8db6-3c40f02265fc\">Timestamps<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">00:00 \u2013 <em>Entering \u201cThe Eagle &amp; Child\u201d\u2026 <\/em><br>00:11 \u2013 <em>Welcome <\/em><br>00:40 \u2013 <em>Carolyn Curtis <\/em><br>01:29 \u2013 <em>Quote-of-the-week <\/em><br>01:58 \u2013 <em>Drink-of-the-week <\/em><br>02:54 \u2013 <em>Patreon Toast <\/em><br>03:26 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Discovering Lewis <\/em><br>05:00 \u2013 <em>Discussion: A life in journalism <\/em><br>10:01 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Women and C.S. Lewis Audiobook <\/em><br>12:52 \u2013 <em>Discussion: C.S. Lewis, The Sexist? <\/em><br>15:55 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Writers in their own voices <\/em><br>19:04 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Contributors <\/em><br>19:56 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Lazo Romance <\/em><br>23:18 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Target Audience <\/em><br>26:44 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Book Overview <\/em><br>37:21 \u2013 <em>Discussion: Co-editing and Coordinating <\/em><br>38:34 \u2013 <em>Discussion: The bottom line <\/em><br>39:36 \u2013 <em>\u201cLast Call\u201d Bell and Closing Thoughts<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-256e7e4a-897b-43e2-a2ed-609bf087c84b\">YouTube Version<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/nDOIej89260?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-a885e324-ccf9-42f2-9e03-3f3eb5dc7d6b\">After Show Skype Session<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>No Skype Session today!<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-27508392-5bf9-4ea7-9a6d-34a4e3476c70\">Show Notes<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-9a5c05ab-2df3-4086-b1f7-70d12e5536d9\">Biographical Information<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.carolyncurtis.net\/about-carolyn\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Carolyn Curtis<\/a> holds a Bachelor of Journalism degree from The University of Texas at Austin and a Master of Arts degree in communication from Stephen F. Austin State University. She has taught journalism at a college and been a speaker at numerous conferences. She has reported from daily newsrooms and from Capitol Hill in Washington D.C. She has worked in communications management for Fortune 50 companies and at domestic corporate headquarters for two major church denominations. Carolyn is the author or collaborator of seven books and today she\u2019s here to talk to us about a book she co-edited called, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Women-C-S-Lewis-Literature-Culture\/dp\/0745956947\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Women and C.S. Lewis: What His Life and Literature Reveal for Today&#8217;s Culture<\/a>.<\/p><cite>Biographical information for Carolyn Curtis<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Quote-of-the-week<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For the quote-of-the-week, I thought I\u2019d share the Epitaph which C.S. Lewis wrote for his wife, Joy:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><em><em><em>Here the whole world (stars, water, air, <\/em><\/em><\/em><br><em><em><em>And field, and forest, as they were <\/em><\/em><\/em><br><em><em><em>Reflected in a single mind) <\/em><\/em><\/em><br><em><em><em>Like cast off clothes was left behind <\/em><\/em><\/em><br><em><em><em>In ashes, yet with hopes that she, <\/em><\/em><\/em><br><em><em><em>Re-born from holy poverty, <\/em><\/em><\/em><br><em><em><em>In lenten lands, hereafter may <\/em><\/em><\/em><br><em><em><em>Resume them on her Easter Day.<\/em><\/em><\/em><\/p><cite><em><em>C.S. Lewis, Epitaph for his wife Joy Davidman<\/em><\/em><\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Drink-of-the-week<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>The next thing is our drink-of-the-week. Today I\u2019m getting back to my Yorkshire roots with a nice pot of Yorkshire Gold. Carolyn was drinking a cup of PG Tips and glass of water.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Patreon Toast<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>We don\u2019t have a new Gold-level Patreon supporter to toast today, so I\u2019d instead like to offer a toast to all of the thirty or so writers who contributed to this book:<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><em>Thank you for your words by which you\u2019ve helped us come to know Jack better. May you always continue to shine a light where it\u2019s needed&#8230;<\/em><\/p><cite>Patreon Toast for the contributing writers to &#8220;Women and C.S. Lewis&#8221;<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-27508392-5bf9-4ea7-9a6d-34a4e3476c70\">Discussion<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Biography<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Carolyn began by talking about how she first came across Lewis.<\/li><li>She also shared about her career as a journalist, particularly on Capitol Hill. Her book, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Before-Rainbow-About-Decisionmakers-Bookshelf\/dp\/0931032091\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">What We Know About Acid Rain<\/a> put her in <a href=\"https:\/\/vault.si.com\/vault\/1981\/09\/21\/nfl\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Sports Illustrated<\/a> and put her on the map on the Hill in DC.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Women and C.S. Lewis<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>I explained how I first came across the book and met Carolyn&#8217;s co-editor Mary Pomroy Key and how I recently saw that the audiobook had been released.<\/li><li>I commented that I had listened to podcasts recently which threw around words like &#8220;sexist&#8221; and &#8220;misogynist&#8221; in relation to Lewis rather liberally and that the timing of the audio book was very serendipitous in that regard. I asked Carolyn about  what prompted the writing of her book and she said that it was from hearing similar criticisms of Lewis.<\/li><li>Carolyn explained why she wanted for the contributors to speak in their own voice, rather than interviewing them and simply quoting extracts.<\/li><li>We spoke about some of the contributors to the book, including our own co-host, Andrew Lazo and his soon-to-be wife, Kristen. Carolyn shared some of the story of their &#8220;meet cute&#8221;. Here is the engagement picture she referred to:<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/Lazo.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" src=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/Lazo-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-80349\" srcset=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/Lazo-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/Lazo-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/Lazo-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/Lazo.jpg 1125w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>I invited Carolyn to talk through the book from a high-level:<ul><li><strong>Section 1: The man<\/strong><\/li><\/ul><ul><li><strong>Section 2: Fiction author<\/strong><\/li><\/ul><ul><li><strong>Section 3: Poet<\/strong><\/li><\/ul><ul><li><strong>Section 4: Influencer<\/strong><\/li><\/ul><ul><li><strong>Section 5: Mentor<\/strong><\/li><\/ul><\/li><li>We discussed the target audience for this book.<\/li><li>Carolyn explained what was involved in co-editing a book like &#8220;Women and C.S. Lewis&#8221;.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">More Information<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>For more information, check out <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.carolyncurtis.net\/\" target=\"_blank\">Carolyn&#8217;s website<\/a> and read <a href=\"https:\/\/www.carolyncurtis.net\/about-carolyn\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">about Carolyn<\/a> and <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.carolyncurtis.net\/the-story\" target=\"_blank\">her story<\/a>.<\/li><li>The book is available on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Women-C-S-Lewis-Literature-Culture\/dp\/0745956947\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Amazon<\/a>.<\/li><li>The audiobook is available both at <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.christianbook.com\/literature-reveal-todays-culture-unabridged-audiobook\/carolyn-curtis\/9781640913868\/pd\/913860\" target=\"_blank\">ChristianBook.com<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.audible.com\/pd\/Women-and-CS-Lewis-Audiobook\/1645551563\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Audible<\/a>.<\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Carolyn Curtis, co-editor of &#8220;Women and C.S. 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