{"id":78523,"date":"2020-12-03T00:15:00","date_gmt":"2020-12-03T07:15:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/?p=78523"},"modified":"2020-12-10T09:43:27","modified_gmt":"2020-12-10T16:43:27","slug":"pwj-s4e16","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/2020\/12\/03\/pwj-s4e16\/","title":{"rendered":"PWJ: S4E16 &#8211; AH &#8211; &#8220;After Hours&#8221; with Metropolitan Kallistos Ware"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/11\/S4E16-YouTube-HiRes-2.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/11\/S4E16-YouTube-HiRes-2.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-78531\" srcset=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/11\/S4E16-YouTube-HiRes-2.png 860w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/11\/S4E16-YouTube-HiRes-2-300x169.png 300w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/11\/S4E16-YouTube-HiRes-2-768x432.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 860px) 100vw, 860px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Last Christmas I gifted myself a copy of &#8220;C.S. Lewis and The Church&#8221;, which was a collection of essays in honour of Walter Hooper. Among this collection was an essay by well-known Eastern Orthodox writer, Metropolitan Kallistos Ware. In his essay he spoke about aspects of Lewis&#8217; theology which appeal to Eastern Orthodox readers. I loved the essay so I invited him onto the show to talk about it. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>S4E16: &#8220;After Hours&#8221; with Metropolitan Kallistos Ware<\/strong>&nbsp;(<a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/11\/PWJ-S4E16.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Download<\/a>)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/11\/PWJ-S4E16.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you enjoy this episode, you can subscribe\u00a0<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/TheEagleAndChildPodcast\" target=\"_blank\">manually<\/a>, or\u00a0any place where good podcasts can be found (<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-eagle-and-child-podcast-restless-pilgrim\/id1289456381\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>,\u00a0<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/play.google.com\/music\/m\/Ixvobfgi2wk4rkdegdnbdqjjh44?t=The_Eagle_and_Child\" target=\"_blank\">Google Play<\/a>, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Pints-with-Jack\/dp\/B08K57WLYB\/\" target=\"_blank\">Amazon<\/a>, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/podcast-detail\/wqkqe-5e798\/The+Eagle+and+Child\" target=\"_blank\">Podbean<\/a>, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=159766&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">Stitcher<\/a>, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/radio\/The-Eagle-and-Child-p1079872\/\" target=\"_blank\">TuneIn<\/a> and <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/overcast.fm\/itunes1289456381\/pints-with-jack\" target=\"_blank\">Overcast<\/a>), as well as on\u00a0<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCcYFlFuyOmYL6LcuicqzULw\" target=\"_blank\">YouTube<\/a>. The roadmap for Season 4 is\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/pints-with-jack-season-4\/\">available here<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">More information about us can be found on our website,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pintswithjack.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">PintsWithJack.com<\/a>. If you\u2019d like to support us and get fantastic gifts,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/pintswithjack\">please join us on Patreon<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Timestamps<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">00:00 \u2013 <em>Entering &#8220;The Eagle &amp; Child&#8221;&#8230;<\/em><br>00:13 \u2013 <em>Welcome<\/em><br>01:02 \u2013 <em>Metropolitan Kallistos Ware<\/em><br>03:11 \u2013 <em>Quote-of-the-week<\/em><br>04:07 \u2013 <em>Drink-of-the-week<\/em><br>04:19 \u2013 <em>Patreon Toast<\/em><br>04:37 \u2013 <em>What is a Metropolitan?<\/em><br>06:11 \u2013 <em>Encountering Lewis<\/em><br>12:18 \u2013 <em>C.S. Lewis, an &#8216;anonymous Orthodox&#8217;?<\/em><br>13:57 \u2013 <em>Confirmed contact with Orthodoxy<\/em><br>17:59 \u2013 <em>Lewis and the Fathers<\/em><br>22:04 \u2013 <em>Apophatic Theology<\/em><br>25:48 \u2013 <em>Incarnation and Trinity<\/em><br>32:28 \u2013 <em>Theosis<\/em><br>37:37 \u2013 <em>Till We Have Faces<\/em><br>39:38 \u2013 <em>More Information<\/em><br>42:29 \u2013 <em>\u201cLast Call\u201d Bell and Closing Remarks<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">YouTube Version<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/52d0DrKaSHY?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">After Show Skype Session<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>No Skype Session today!<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Show Notes<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Opening Chit-Chat<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Biographical Information<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>I shared some biographical information about my guest:<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Timothy Ware was born in Bath, England. He was educated at Westminster School (to which he had won a scholarship) and Magdalen College, Oxford, where he took a Double First in Classics as well as reading Theology. <br><br>Having been raised Anglican, at the age of 24, he embraced the Orthodox Christian faith, traveling subsequently throughout Greece, spending a great deal of time at the Monastery of St. John the Theologian in Patmos. He also frequented other major centers of Orthodoxy such as Jerusalem and Mount Athos. In 1966, he was ordained to the priesthood and was tonsured as a monk, receiving the name Kallistos. In the same year, he became a lecturer at Oxford, teaching Eastern Orthodox Studies, a position which he held for 35 years until his retirement. <br><br>In 1982, he was consecrated to the episcopacy as a titular bishop with the title Bishop of Diokleia. Despite his elevation, Kallistos remained in Oxford and carried on his duties both as the parish priest of the Oxford Greek Orthodox community and as a lecturer at the University. On March 30, 2007, the Holy Synod of the Ecumenical Patriarchate elevated the Diocese of Diokleia to Metropolis and Bishop Kallistos to Titular Metropolitan of Diokleia.<\/p><cite>Bio for Metropolitan Kallistos Ware<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>I explained how I first came across Metropolitan Ware through his book, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Orthodox-Church-Introduction-Eastern-Christianity\/dp\/014198063X\" target=\"_blank\">The Orthodox Church<\/a>. However, it was after reading <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/C-S-Lewis-Church-Essays-Theology\/dp\/0567047369\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">C.S. Lewis and the Church<\/a> that I discovered he was an admirer of C.S. Lewis.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Quote-of-the-week<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>The quote-of-the-week came from this letter:<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><em>The command \u201cBe ye perfect\u201d is not idealistic gas. Nor is it a command to do the impossible. He is going to make us into creatures that can obey that command&#8230;If we let Him\u2014for we can prevent Him, if we choose\u2014He will make the feeblest and filthiest of us into a god or goddess, a dazzling, radiant, immortal creature, pulsating all through with such energy and joy and wisdom and love as we cannot now imagine, a bright stainless mirror which reflects back to God perfectly (though, of course, on a smaller scale) His own boundless power and delight and goodness.<\/em><\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity (Book IV, Chapter 9)<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Drink-of-the-week<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Drink-of-the-week was a cup of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.birdrockcoffee.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Bird Rock coffee<\/a> as I got up early to interview the Metropolitan who lives in England.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Patreon Toast<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>I toasted Patreon supporter, Jeff Booth:<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><em><em>Jeff, thank you for your generous spirit. May you be blessed in return and always filled with the Divine Life.<\/em><\/em><\/p><cite>Patreon Toast<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Discussion<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Since we have listeners from a wide variety of Christian denominations, I began by asking what it actually means to be a Metropolitan.<\/li><li>I asked Metropolitan Ware about his encounter with Lewis&#8217; writings (and ultimately the man himself).<\/li><li>Next, I asked about how he came to write his essay \u201cC.S. Lewis, an \u2018Anonymous Orthodox\u201d.<\/li><li>We next discussed how much contact Lewis had with the Orthodox Church.<\/li><li>I next asked the Metropolitan about Lewis&#8217; contact with the Early Church Fathers.<\/li><li>In his essay, Metropolitan Ware highlighted different aspects of Lewis\u2019 writings which appeal to Orthodox readers. <ul><li>We began by speaking about apophatic theology.<\/li><li>We then discussed the Incarnation and the Trinity.<\/li><li>We then spoke about <em>theosis<\/em>.<\/li><\/ul><\/li><li>We wrapped up by talking about <em>Till We Have Faces<\/em> and <em>The Great Divorce<\/em>.<\/li><li>Metropolitan Ware recommended two of his books: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Orthodox-Church-Introduction-Eastern-Christianity\/dp\/014198063X\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The Orthodox Church<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Orthodox-Way-Kallistos-Ware\/dp\/0913836583\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The Orthodox Way<\/a>.<\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Last Christmas I gifted myself a copy of C.S. 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