{"id":76935,"date":"2020-07-21T03:00:00","date_gmt":"2020-07-21T10:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/?p=76935"},"modified":"2020-07-20T17:26:26","modified_gmt":"2020-07-21T00:26:26","slug":"pwj-s3e44","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/2020\/07\/21\/pwj-s3e44\/","title":{"rendered":"PWJ: S3E44 \u2013 AH \u2013 \u201cAfter Hours\u201d with Joseph Loconte"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"860\" height=\"860\" src=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Joseph-Loconte.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-76998\" srcset=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Joseph-Loconte.jpg 860w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Joseph-Loconte-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Joseph-Loconte-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Joseph-Loconte-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Joseph-Loconte-90x90.jpg 90w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Joseph-Loconte-75x75.jpg 75w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 860px) 100vw, 860px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Continuing &#8220;Tolkien Month&#8221;, I interviewed Joseph Loconte, author of <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Hobbit-Wardrobe-Great-War-Rediscovered\/dp\/0718091450\" target=\"_blank\">A Hobbit, a Wardrobe, and a Great War<\/a> which tells the story of how the First World War shaped the lives, faith, and writings of J. R. R. Tolkien and C. S. Lewis.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>S3E44: \u201cAfter Hours&#8221; with Joseph Loconte<\/strong>&nbsp;(<a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/PWJ-S3E44.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Download<\/a>)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/PWJ-S3E44.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you enjoy this episode, you can subscribe&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/TheEagleAndChildPodcast\" target=\"_blank\">manually<\/a>, or&nbsp;any place where good podcasts can be found&nbsp;(<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-eagle-and-child-podcast-restless-pilgrim\/id1289456381\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/play.google.com\/music\/m\/Ixvobfgi2wk4rkdegdnbdqjjh44?t=The_Eagle_and_Child\" target=\"_blank\">Google Play<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/podcast-detail\/wqkqe-5e798\/The+Eagle+and+Child\" target=\"_blank\">Podbean<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=159766&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">Stitcher<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/radio\/The-Eagle-and-Child-p1079872\/\" target=\"_blank\">TuneIn<\/a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/overcast.fm\/itunes1289456381\/pints-with-jack\" target=\"_blank\">Overcast<\/a>), as well as on&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCcYFlFuyOmYL6LcuicqzULw\" target=\"_blank\">YouTube<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">More information about us can be found on our website,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pintswithjack.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">PintsWithJack.com<\/a>. If you\u2019d like to support us and get fantastic gifts,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/pintswithjack\">please join us on Patreon<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The roadmap for Season 3 is&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/pints-with-jack-season-3\/\">available here<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Time Stamps<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">00:00 \u2013 <em>Entering \u201cThe Eagle &amp; Child\u201d\u2026<\/em><br>00:11 \u2013 <em>Welcome<\/em><br>01:11 \u2013 <em>Biographical Information<\/em><br>02:23 \u2013 <em>Drink-of-the-week<\/em><br>03:00 \u2013 <em>Quote-of-the-week<\/em><br>03:31 \u2013 <em>Patreon Toast<\/em><br>04:07 \u2013 <em>Life and Career<\/em><br>06:48 \u2013 <em>Meeting the Inklings<\/em><br>08:22 \u2013 <em>Deep Dive<\/em><br>09:20 \u2013 <em>The Book<\/em><br>12:25 \u2013 <em>Pre-War Changes<\/em><br>15:10 \u2013 <em>Christian Nationalism<\/em><br>17:09 \u2013 <em>A Different Kind Of War<\/em><br>21:57 \u2013 <em>JRR and CSL Attitudes &amp; Experience<\/em><br>26:00 \u2013 <em>Post-War Changes<\/em><br>29:13 \u2013 <em>The Inklings Respond<\/em><br>33:38 \u2013 <em>Why So Much Success?<\/em><br>36:35 \u2013 <em>The Documentary<\/em><br>39:53 \u2013 <em>Legacy For Today<\/em><br>45:32 \u2013 <em>This vs That Quiz<\/em><br>47:34 \u2013 <em>\u201cLast Call\u201d Bell<\/em><br>47:44 \u2013 <em>Contact Info<\/em><br>48:35 \u2013 <em>Closing remarks<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>YouTube Version<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/9T1TDDo-2Ms?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>After Show Skype Session<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">No Skype Session today!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Show Notes<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;Biographical Details:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Dr. Lonconte is a native of Brooklyn, NY. His commentary on religion and public life appears in the nation\u2019s leading media outlets, including the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, the National Interest, the Weekly Standard, and National Review. He is also a regular contributor to the London-based Standpoint and the Huffington Post. For 10 years he served as a commentator for National Public Radio\u2019s &#8220;All Things Considered&#8221;. <br><br>In addition to his book about Lewis and Tolkien which we\u2019ll be discussing today, he is also the author of several other books, including: &#8220;God, Locke, and Liberty: The Struggle for Religious Freedom in the West&#8221; and &#8220;The Searchers: A Quest for Faith in the Valley of Doubt&#8221;. <br><br>After 10 years teaching Western Civilization at the King&#8217;s College in New York City, last month Dr. Loconte joined the Heritage Foundation as the Director of the B. Kenneth Simon Center for American Studies.<\/p><cite>Biographical details<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022\u00a0Yesterday I received a bottle of <a href=\"https:\/\/eaglerare.com\/\">Eagle Rare bourbon<\/a>, very generously donated by one of our listeners, but I\u2019ll be saving that for when Matt and I record the Season finale. Instead of Eagle Rare, today I am enjoying a glass of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.auchentoshan.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Ashentoshen<\/a>, Lowland Single Malt, in one of our Pints With Jack Glencairn glasses.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;Given that today we\u2019re going to be talking about warfare and the effects of war on the human heart and mind, I thought this passage from <em>The Return of the King<\/em> was appropriate. It\u2019s where Aragon is speaking to Pippin about his friend, Merry&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><em>\u201cHe is weary now, and grieved\u2026 But these evils can be amended, so strong and gay a spirit is in him. His grief he will not forget; but it will not darken his heart, it will teach him wisdom.\u201d<\/em><\/p><cite>Aragorn speaking to Pippin about Merry, (The Return of the King)<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022\u00a0We toasted Patreon supporter, Molly Hugo. I stole this from a toast which Tolkien himself gave at <a href=\"http:\/\/tolkiengateway.net\/wiki\/%22Hobbit_Dinner%22_in_Rotterdam\">The &#8220;Hobbit Dinner&#8221; in Rotterdam<\/a> in 1958:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>\u201cI look East, West, North, South, and I do not see Sauron; but I see that Saruman has many descendants. We Hobbits have against them no magic weapons. Yet, my gentlehobbits, I give you this toast: To the Hobbits. May they outlast the Sarumans and see spring again in the trees.\u201d<\/p><cite>The &#8220;Hobbit Dinner&#8221; Toast<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022\u00a0I asked Dr. Loconte to fill in the details about himself and his career. He told us about when he first discovered the inklings and when they became a serious area for study.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022\u00a0Dr. Loconte explained his motivation in writing <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Hobbit-Wardrobe-Great-War-Rediscovered\/dp\/0718091450\/\">A Hobbit, a Wardrobe and a Great War<\/a><\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022\u00a0We spoke about the mood in Europe prior to The Great War, noting the belief in progress and the belief that war was dying out. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022\u00a0After speaking about the way in which The Great War was different form earlier wars, Dr. Loconte outlined the attitudes and wartime experiences of Lewis and Tolkien.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022\u00a0We then talked about the consequences of World War One, how it changed society, and how the Inklings responded.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022\u00a0Dr. Loconte&#8217;s book is currently being turned into a <a href=\"http:\/\/hobbitwardrobe.com\/\">documentary<\/a>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/cQdPIk3qc_A?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022\u00a0As we drew towards the end of the interview, we spoke about the legacy of the Inklings for today&#8217;s generation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>The interview concluded with our usual &#8220;Tolkien Month&#8221; This vs. That quiz:<ul><li>Tea or Coffee?<\/li><li>Elves or Dwarves?<\/li><li>Early Bird or Night Owl?<\/li><li>Gandalf or Radagast?<\/li><li>Call or text?<\/li><li>Tom Bombadil: Wonderful or Wretched?<\/li><li>iPhone or Android?<\/li><li>Pippin or Merry?<\/li><li>Shelob or Nazgul?<\/li><li>Second Breakfast or Elevenses?<\/li><li>Boromir or Faramir?<\/li><li>Balrogs: Wings or wingless?<\/li><li>Bagels or croissants?<\/li><li>The movies or the book?<\/li><li>Arwen or Eowyn?<\/li><li>Rivendell or Lothlorien?<\/li><li>Gollum or Jar Jar Binks?<\/li><li>Tolkien or Lewis?<\/li><\/ul><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022\u00a0You can find out more about Dr. Loconte&#8217;s work at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.josephloconte.com\/\">JosephLoconte.com<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/hobbitwardrobe.com\/\">HobbitWardrobe.com<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Continuing &#8220;Tolkien Month&#8221;, I interviewed Joseph Loconte, author of A Hobbit, a Wardrobe, and a Great War which tells the story of how the First World War shaped the lives, faith, and writings of J. 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