{"id":76934,"date":"2020-07-14T03:00:00","date_gmt":"2020-07-14T10:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/?p=76934"},"modified":"2020-07-15T09:46:56","modified_gmt":"2020-07-15T16:46:56","slug":"pwj-s3e43","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/2020\/07\/14\/pwj-s3e43\/","title":{"rendered":"PWJ: S3E43 \u2013 AH \u2013 \u201cAfter Hours\u201d with The Tolkien Road"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"860\" height=\"860\" src=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/The-Tolkien-Road.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-76994\" srcset=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/The-Tolkien-Road.jpg 860w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/The-Tolkien-Road-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/The-Tolkien-Road-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/The-Tolkien-Road-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/The-Tolkien-Road-90x90.jpg 90w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/The-Tolkien-Road-75x75.jpg 75w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 860px) 100vw, 860px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Continuing &#8220;Tolkien Month&#8221;, in today&#8217;s episode I spoke with John and Greta Carswell from <a href=\"https:\/\/TolkienRoad.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">&#8220;The Tolkien Road&#8221; podcast<\/a>, focussing on Tolkien&#8217;s work, <em>The Silmarillion<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>S3E43: \u201cAfter Hours\u201d with The Tolkien Road<\/strong>&nbsp;(<a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/PWJ-S3E43.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Download<\/a>)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/PWJ-S3E43.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you enjoy this episode, you can subscribe&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/TheEagleAndChildPodcast\" target=\"_blank\">manually<\/a>, or&nbsp;any place where good podcasts can be found&nbsp;(<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-eagle-and-child-podcast-restless-pilgrim\/id1289456381\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/play.google.com\/music\/m\/Ixvobfgi2wk4rkdegdnbdqjjh44?t=The_Eagle_and_Child\" target=\"_blank\">Google Play<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/podcast-detail\/wqkqe-5e798\/The+Eagle+and+Child\" target=\"_blank\">Podbean<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=159766&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">Stitcher<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/radio\/The-Eagle-and-Child-p1079872\/\" target=\"_blank\">TuneIn<\/a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/overcast.fm\/itunes1289456381\/pints-with-jack\" target=\"_blank\">Overcast<\/a>), as well as on&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCcYFlFuyOmYL6LcuicqzULw\" target=\"_blank\">YouTube<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">More information about us can be found on our website,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pintswithjack.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">PintsWithJack.com<\/a>. If you\u2019d like to support us and get fantastic gifts,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/pintswithjack\">please join us on Patreon<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The roadmap for Season 3 is&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/pints-with-jack-season-3\/\">available here<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Time Stamps<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">00:00:00 \u2013 <em>Introductory music<\/em><br>00:00:11 \u2013 <em>Welcome<\/em><br>00:00:23 \u2013 <em>Introducing John and Greta<\/em><br>00:02:59 \u2013 <em>Drink-of-the-week<\/em><br>00:04:54 \u2013 <em>Quote-of-the-week<\/em><br>00:05:22 \u2013 <em>Patreon Toast<\/em><br>00:05:40 \u2013 <em>John and Greta<\/em><br>00:07:03 \u2013 <em>Discovering Tolkien<\/em><br>00:11:10 \u2013 <em>Loving Tolkien<\/em><br>00:17:17 \u2013 <em>Why start a podcast?<\/em><br>00:22:51 \u2013 <em>How have you changed?<\/em><br>00:29:14 \u2013 <em>John&#8217;s books<\/em><br>00:35:14 \u2013 <em>Tolkien Reading tips<\/em><br>00:39:57 \u2013 <em>Reading The Silmarillion<\/em><br>00:45:45 \u2013 <em>Greta&#8217;s first impressions<\/em><br>00:50:05 \u2013 <em>Silmarillion Overview<\/em><br>00:58:29 \u2013 <em>Silmarillion Resources<\/em><br>01:03:55 \u2013 <em>LTROnPrime<\/em><br>01:13:31 \u2013 <em>&#8220;This vs. That&#8221; Quiz<\/em><br>01:23:56 \u2013 <em>The Tolkien Road Info<\/em><br>01:24:26 \u2013 <em>&#8220;Last Call&#8221; Bell<\/em><br>01:26:09 \u2013 <em>Closing Remarks<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>YouTube Version<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/ppllGJctZFw?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>After Show Skype Session<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/iCnYyvG1aSE?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Show Notes<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;I shared some biographical details about John, Greta, and their podcast:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>The Tolkien Road podcast was Launched in early 2015. On the show, co-hosts John &amp; Greta Carswell journey chapter-by-chapter through The Lord of the Rings, The Silmarillion, The Hobbit, as well as Tolkien\u2019s other works\u2026often with the help of a few haikus. John has written several books about Tolkien. He is the author of Tolkien\u2019s Overture, an exploration of Middle-earth&#8217;s creation story and the role of music in Tolkien&#8217;s tales. He has also written Tolkien\u2019s Requiem, which is a contemplative journey through Tolkien\u2019s most personal and pivotal Middle-earth tale, the story of Beren and L\u00fathien.<\/p><cite>Biographical Details<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;Since John and Greta often read haikus on their podcast, I welcomed them with one of my own compositions:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>John, Greta, David<\/p><p>An unexpected party<\/p><p>Three is company<\/p><cite>Opening Haiku<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;My drink-of-the-week was <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pgtips.co.uk\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">PG Tips<\/a> tea.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;The quote-of-the-week was road-related and came from <em>Mere Christianity<\/em>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>If you are on the wrong road, progress means doing an about turn and walking back to the right road; and in that case the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive man <\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;I toasted one of our Patreon supporters:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Daniel, since we\u2019re talking about roads, may you have the hindsight to know where you&#8217;ve been, the foresight to know where you are going, and the insight to know when you have gone too far\u2026<\/p><cite>Toast for Daniel<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;To kick things off, I asked John and Greta to tell us a bit more about themselves. I asked them when they first discovered Tolkien and what it is they love about his work.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;I asked about the motivation to start a Tolkien podcast and how doing the podcast has changed their appreciation of Tolkien?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"795\" height=\"1153\" src=\"https:\/\/i2.wp.com\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/Gandalf.jpg?fit=706%2C1024\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-77348\" srcset=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/Gandalf.jpg 795w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/Gandalf-207x300.jpg 207w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/Gandalf-706x1024.jpg 706w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/Gandalf-768x1114.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 795px) 100vw, 795px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2560\" height=\"2133\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/Valar-scaled.jpg?fit=860%2C716\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-77349\" srcset=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/Valar-scaled.jpg 2560w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/Valar-300x250.jpg 300w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/Valar-1024x853.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/Valar-768x640.jpg 768w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/Valar-1536x1280.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/Valar-2048x1707.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">More Tolkien art can be found <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/jaystolkien.com\/portfolio_category\/tolkien\/\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;John had written two books about Tolkien: <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/tolkiensoverture.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Tolkien&#8217;s Overture<\/a> and <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/tolkiensrequiem.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Tolkien&#8217;s Requiem<\/a>. He suggested that people read his works after they&#8217;ve read Tolkien&#8217;s.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;I asked them about their general advice for reading Tolkien.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;We then dug into Tolkien&#8217;s <em>Silmarillion<\/em>, it&#8217;s background and composition. We spoke about their first impression of The Silmarillion and why so many people struggle with this work. John and Greta gave us an overview of the work, so we can understand Tolkien\u2019s framework. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;We spoke about tips and some traps we can fall into when reading <em>The Silmarillion<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;John introduced us to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/playlist?list=PLqUat2OcwnPD6rnkcZw7MHykbf-yhtAGf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">the resources he has been working on to help people read <em>The Silmarillion<\/em><\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;We discussed Amazon Prime&#8217;s upcoming Middle Earth offering.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;I then gave John and Greta the &#8220;Tolkien Month&#8221; Pop Quiz:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Tea or Coffee?<\/li><li>Elves or Dwarves?<\/li><li>Early Bird or Night Owl?<\/li><li>Gandalf or Radagast?<\/li><li>Call or text?<\/li><li>Tom Bombadil: Wonderful or Wretched?<\/li><li>iPhone or Android?<\/li><li>Pippin or Merry?<\/li><li>Shelob or Nazgul?<\/li><li>Second Breakfast or Elevenses?<\/li><li>Boromir or Faramir?<\/li><li>Balrogs: Wings or wingless?<\/li><li>Bagels or croissants?<\/li><li>The movies or the book?<\/li><li>Arwen or Eowyn?<\/li><li>Rivendell or Lothlorien?<\/li><li>Gollum or Jar Jar Binks?<\/li><li>Tolkien or Lewis?<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;More information at the <a href=\"https:\/\/tolkienroad.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Tolkien Road<\/a> website. You can find out more <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/tolkiensoverture.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Tolkien&#8217;s Overture<\/a> and <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/tolkiensrequiem.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Tolkien<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/tolkiensrequiem.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">&#8216;<\/a><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/tolkiensrequiem.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">s Requiem<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;I closed the episode with another haiku:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Tolkien and Lewis<\/p><p>Lovers of myth and legend<\/p><p>A great fellowship<\/p><cite>Closing Haiku<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Continuing &#8220;Tolkien Month&#8221;, in today&#8217;s episode I spoke with John and Greta Carswell from &#8220;The Tolkien Road&#8221; podcast (https:\/\/TolkienRoad.com\/), focussing on Tolkien&#8217;s work, The Silmarillion.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":76996,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_crdt_document":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[3111],"tags":[1914,2969,5683,5682,4761,4438,414,5700,5681],"class_list":["post-76934","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-podcast","tag-c-s-lewis","tag-featured","tag-greta-carswell","tag-john-carswell","tag-narnia","tag-the-eagle-and-child-podcast","tag-tolkien","tag-tolkien-month","tag-tolkien-road"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/The-Tolkien-Road.jpg","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/76934","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=76934"}],"version-history":[{"count":20,"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/76934\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":77536,"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/76934\/revisions\/77536"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/76996"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=76934"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=76934"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=76934"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}