{"id":75997,"date":"2020-08-11T03:00:00","date_gmt":"2020-08-11T10:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/?p=75997"},"modified":"2020-08-11T07:43:28","modified_gmt":"2020-08-11T14:43:28","slug":"pwj-s3e49","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/2020\/08\/11\/pwj-s3e49\/","title":{"rendered":"PWJ: S3E49 &#8211; AH &#8211; &#8220;After Hours&#8221; with Douglas Gresham"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1398\" height=\"1443\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Douglas.jpg?fit=860%2C888\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-76982\" srcset=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Douglas.jpg 1398w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Douglas-291x300.jpg 291w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Douglas-992x1024.jpg 992w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Douglas-768x793.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1398px) 100vw, 1398px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">At the end of last year, Matt and I got to meet C.S. Lewis&#8217; stepson, Douglas Gresham. In today&#8217;s episode, Matt interviews Douglas and asks him about his early life in the United States, his time living at <em>The Kilns<\/em>, as well as his life following his stepfather&#8217;s death.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>S3E48: \u201cAfter Hours\u201d with Douglas Gresham<\/strong>\u00a0(<a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/08\/PWJ-S3E49.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Download<\/a>)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/08\/PWJ-S3E49.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you enjoy this episode, you can subscribe&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/TheEagleAndChildPodcast\" target=\"_blank\">manually<\/a>, or&nbsp;any place where good podcasts can be found&nbsp;(<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-eagle-and-child-podcast-restless-pilgrim\/id1289456381\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/play.google.com\/music\/m\/Ixvobfgi2wk4rkdegdnbdqjjh44?t=The_Eagle_and_Child\" target=\"_blank\">Google Play<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/podcast-detail\/wqkqe-5e798\/The+Eagle+and+Child\" target=\"_blank\">Podbean<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=159766&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">Stitcher<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/radio\/The-Eagle-and-Child-p1079872\/\" target=\"_blank\">TuneIn<\/a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/overcast.fm\/itunes1289456381\/pints-with-jack\" target=\"_blank\">Overcast<\/a>), as well as on&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCcYFlFuyOmYL6LcuicqzULw\" target=\"_blank\">YouTube<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">More information about us can be found on our website,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pintswithjack.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">PintsWithJack.com<\/a>. If you\u2019d like to support us and get fantastic gifts,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/pintswithjack\">please join us on Patreon<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The roadmap for Season 3 is&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/pints-with-jack-season-3\/\">available here<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Time Stamps<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">00:00:00 \u2013 <em>Entering \u201cThe Eagle &amp; Child\u201d\u2026<\/em><br>00:00:29 \u2013 <em>Welcome<\/em><br>00:00:38 \u2013 <em>Biographical details<\/em><br>00:01:27 \u2013 <em>Quote-of-the-week<\/em><br>00:02:21 \u2013 <em>Patreon Toast<\/em><br>00:02:41 \u2013 <em>The Gresham Family<\/em><br>00:10:31 \u2013 <em>Pursuing his wife<\/em><br>00:18:29 \u2013 <em>COVID Adventures<\/em><br>00:23:01 \u2013 <em>Joy, Christianity, and Lewis<\/em><br>00:33:21 \u2013 <em>The Lewis Marriage<\/em><br>00:44:26 \u2013 <em>Joy and Jack&#8217;s Death<\/em><br>00:55:30 \u2013 <em>Doug&#8217;s Life<\/em><br>00:56:25 \u2013 <em>Ministry In Ireland<\/em><br>01:00:10 \u2013 <em>Being A Christian<\/em><br>01:01:29 \u2013 <em>&#8220;Last Call&#8221; Bell and Closing Remarks<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>YouTube Version<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/RWXbpKK3LxA?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>After Show Skype Session<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Today I spoke to John DeRosa, host of the Classical Theism podcast and author of <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/shop.catholic.com\/one-less-god-than-you\/\" target=\"_blank\">One Less God Than You: How to Answer the Slogans, Clich\u00e8s, and Fallacies That Atheists Use to Challenge Your Faith<\/a>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/p-McB00WUMI?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Show Notes<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;Today Matt interviewed <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Douglas_Gresham\" target=\"_blank\">Douglas Gresham<\/a>, the son of Joy Gresham and the stepson of C.S. Lewis. Douglas Gresham is the author of <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Lenten-Lands-Childhood-Davidman-Lewis\/dp\/0060634472\/\" target=\"_blank\">Lenten Lands<\/a>, where he speaks about his life up until a few years after the death of C.S. Lewis:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Douglas is an American \/ British stage and voice over actor, biographer, film producer and executive record producer. He\u2019s written an autobiography called Lenten Lands which chronicles his early life. He&#8217;s also written a book titled Jack\u2019s Life about his stepfather C.S. lewis. Further, he is one of two sons of Joy Davidman, who we have learned a lot about from Patti Callahan and discussed on many different occasions on the podcast.<\/p><cite>Biographical Information<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;The drink-of-the-week was Macallan 12.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;The quote-of-the-week was from Douglas&#8217; book, <em>Lenten Lands<\/em>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>\u201cI am beginning to realise that every point in one\u2019s life at which one loses everything is far more a beginning than an end, for one has lost merely the past, and one has yet to gain the future, and eternity itself\u201d<\/p><cite>Douglas Gresham, Lenten Lands<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;Matt began by asking Douglas about his childhood&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;Matt then asked about his years with Lewis and meeting his wife:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/wYiSPJjXdz8?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;Matt then asked about the years following Lewis&#8217; death.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>At the end of last year, Matt and I got to meet C.S. 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