{"id":75980,"date":"2020-06-09T00:01:00","date_gmt":"2020-06-09T07:01:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/?p=75980"},"modified":"2020-06-08T23:50:02","modified_gmt":"2020-06-09T06:50:02","slug":"pwj-s3e35","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/2020\/06\/09\/pwj-s3e35\/","title":{"rendered":"PWJ: S3E35 &#8211; AH &#8211; &#8220;After Hours&#8221; with Rev. Brian McGreevy"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"860\" height=\"555\" src=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/brian-mcgreevy.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-76268\" srcset=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/brian-mcgreevy.jpg 860w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/brian-mcgreevy-300x194.jpg 300w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/brian-mcgreevy-768x496.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 860px) 100vw, 860px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In anticipation of next season when we read through <em>The Screwtape Letters<\/em>, I sat down with Rev. Brian McGreevy to talk about this book and his own C.S. Lewis podcasts.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>S3E35: \u201cAfter Hours\u201d with Rev. Brian McGreevy<\/strong>&nbsp;(<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/PWJ-S3E35.mp3\" target=\"_blank\">Download<\/a>)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/PWJ-S3E35.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you enjoy this episode, you can subscribe&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/TheEagleAndChildPodcast\" target=\"_blank\">manually<\/a>, or&nbsp;any place where good podcasts can be found&nbsp;(<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-eagle-and-child-podcast-restless-pilgrim\/id1289456381\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/play.google.com\/music\/m\/Ixvobfgi2wk4rkdegdnbdqjjh44?t=The_Eagle_and_Child\" target=\"_blank\">Google Play<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/podcast-detail\/wqkqe-5e798\/The+Eagle+and+Child\" target=\"_blank\">Podbean<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=159766&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">Stitcher<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/radio\/The-Eagle-and-Child-p1079872\/\" target=\"_blank\">TuneIn<\/a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/overcast.fm\/itunes1289456381\/pints-with-jack\" target=\"_blank\">Overcast<\/a>), as well as on&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCcYFlFuyOmYL6LcuicqzULw\" target=\"_blank\">YouTube<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">More information about us can be found on our website,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pintswithjack.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">PintsWithJack.com<\/a>. If you\u2019d like to support us and get fantastic gifts,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/pintswithjack\">please join us on Patreon<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The roadmap for Season 3 is&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/pints-with-jack-season-3\/\">available here<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Time Stamps<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">00:00 \u2013 <em>Entering \u201cThe Eagle &amp; Child\u201d\u2026<\/em><br>00:12 \u2013 <em>Welcome<\/em><br>00:35 \u2013 <em>Biographical Information<\/em><br>01:20 \u2013 <em>Drink-of-the-week<\/em><br>01:45 \u2013 <em>Quote-of-the-week<\/em><br>03:53 \u2013 <em>More biographical information<\/em><br>05:58 \u2013 <em>Contact with C.S. Lewis<\/em><br>07:10 \u2013 <em>Growing interest in Lewis<\/em><br>08:44 \u2013 <em>Why is Lewis great?<\/em><br>09:22 \u2013 <em>Unorthodox teaching methods<\/em><br>11:23 \u2013 <em>Origin of The Screwtape Letters <\/em><br>14:00 \u2013 <em>The Cosmic Trilogy connection<\/em><br>15:59 \u2013 <em>Main themes<\/em> and ideas<br>17:14 \u2013 <em>Theme: Habits<\/em><br>18:40 \u2013 <em>Theme: Pleasure and Beauty<\/em><br>21:39 \u2013 <em>Theme: Prayer<\/em><br>27:55 \u2013 <em>Theme: The Will<\/em><br>28:46 \u2013 <em>Theme: Little Sins<\/em><br>30:46 \u2013 <em>Theme: Humility<\/em><br>31:21 \u2013 <em>Theme: Church Life<\/em><br>35:20 \u2013 <em>Theme: Muddling Language<\/em><br>37:15 \u2013 <em>Theme: Time ownership<\/em><br>40:01 \u2013 <em>Cancelling The Guardian<\/em><br>40:51 \u2013 <em>The Impenetrable Cloud<\/em><br>42:19 \u2013&nbsp;<em>\u201cLast Call\u201d Bell<\/em><br>42:31 \u2013&nbsp;<em>Rev. McGreevy Online<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>YouTube Version<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/7IPvDREkCEU?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>After Show Skype Session<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Today&#8217;s &#8220;Skype Session&#8221; is different from the usual sort of video and non-Pints With Jack related. Matt sat down with one of the co-founders of Hallow, a Catholic meditation app:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/Qvtc1kZMq84?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Show Notes<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;I shared some biographical information about Reverand McGreevy:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Reverend Brian McGreevy is Assistant to the Rector for Hospitality Ministry at the historic St. Philip&#8217;s Church in Charleston, South Carolina, which was founded in 1680. He is married to his wife, Jane, and they have four children. He began by studying law at Emory University and worked at an international finance and insurance trade association for over 15 years, becoming the Managing Director International. He and his wife later went on to run a Bed &amp; Breakfast, and subsequently he felt a call to join the priesthood in the Anglican church. He has recorded a podcast on the life of C.S. Lewis and is now teaching a weekly class at his church on The Screwtape Letters.<\/p><cite>Biographical details of Rev. Brian McGreevy<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;For the drink-of-the-week, I drank a glass of <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/thewhiskeyjug.com\/bourbon-whiskey\/mcafees-benchmark-old-no-8-bourbon-review\/\" target=\"_blank\">McAfee\u2019s Benchmark bourbon<\/a> (basically hand-sanitizer for your throat) and Rev. McGreevy drank some <a href=\"https:\/\/www.fentimans.com\/drinks\/soft-drinks\/ginger-beer\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Fentimens Ginger Beer<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;For the quote-of-the-week, I chose a passage close to Rev. McGreevy&#8217;s heart:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and, as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace. In all circumstances take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one; and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God, praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end, keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints\u201d&nbsp;<\/p><cite>Ephesians 6:10-18<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I asked Fr. Brian to explain why he has his class read this passage every session when they study <em>The Screwtape Letters<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;Brian shared with us a bit more of his life-story. He has definitely had a varied life! When talking about ordination, I referenced the ordination of St. Jerome&#8217;s brother:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/ETlNKLBe9to?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent&#038;listType=playlist&#038;list=PLD611D0522F9669A6\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;I asked Rev McGreevy how he first came into contact with C.S. Lewis. Fr. Brian explained how he came to lecture of C.S. Lewis and start some podcasts. I asked Rev. McGreevy about his more unorthodox teaching methods.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;Many people love C.S. Lewis, but often for different reasons. I asked Brian about this and he said that he loves Lewis principally due to his emphasis on Joy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;I explained why we invited Rev. McGreevy onto the show in anticipation of next Season when we will be studying <em>The Screwtape Letters<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;Fr. Brian shared some of the backstory to <em>The Screwtape Letters<\/em> and we spoke about one Preface where Lewis connects the letters to his Cosmic Trilogy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;We spent the majority of the remaining time talking about the themes and ideas found in <em>The Screwtape Letters<\/em>&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;Brian spoke about habits and referenced the book, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Common-Rule-Habits-Purpose-Distraction-ebook\/dp\/B07N7QYLKB\">The Common Rule: Habits of Purpose for an Age of Distraction<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;Brian explained about the idea in <em>Screwtape<\/em> that pleasure and beauty are pointers to the Kingdom of God.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;We discussed the various themes surrounding prayer. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;When talking about the will and choice, I referenced the Casting Crowns song, <em>&#8220;Slow Fade&#8221;<\/em>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/QASREBVDsLk?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;We discussed the anthropology put forward by Screwtape, about the Patient being composed of a series of concentric circles &#8211; the imagination, the intellect and the will.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;We spoke about &#8220;small sins&#8221; and referenced Lewis&#8217; idea of Heavenly &amp; Hellish Creatures from <em>The Weight of Glory<\/em>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><em>It is a serious thing to live in a society of possible gods and goddesses, to remember that the dullest most uninteresting person you can talk to may one day be a creature which,if you saw it now, you would be strongly tempted to worship, or else a horror and a corruption such as you now meet, if at all, only in a nightmare.&nbsp;<\/em><\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, The Weight of Glory<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;We discussed about Screwtape&#8217;s treatment of church life.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;We spoke about Screwtape&#8217;s attempt to subvert language through connotation and confusing terms.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;Finally, Fr. Brian told the story of the clergyman who cancelled his subscription to <em>The Guardian<\/em> magazine after thinking that the letters from Scrwetape published there were meant to be understood as truth. He also mentioned the impenetrable cloud which Screwtape hates. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp; You can find out more about Rev. McGreevy on the <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.stphilipschurchsc.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">St. Philip&#8217;s Website<\/a>. You can listen to his two podcasts on Apple Podcasts. The first is on <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/c-s-lewis-and-the-christian-life\/id1468973286\" target=\"_blank\">C. S. Lewis and the Christian Life<\/a> and the second is on <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/c-s-lewis-and-the-screwtape-letters\/id1480075367\">C. S. Lewis and The Screwtape Letters<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In anticipation of next season when we read through The Screwtape Letters, I sat down with Rev. 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