{"id":75973,"date":"2020-05-19T07:00:00","date_gmt":"2020-05-19T14:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/?p=75973"},"modified":"2020-05-19T08:36:26","modified_gmt":"2020-05-19T15:36:26","slug":"pwj-s3e31","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/2020\/05\/19\/pwj-s3e31\/","title":{"rendered":"PWJ: S3E31 &#8211; AH &#8211; &#8220;After Hours&#8221; with Lina Maslo"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"860\" height=\"860\" src=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Lina.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-76260\" srcset=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Lina.jpg 860w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Lina-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Lina-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Lina-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Lina-90x90.jpg 90w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Lina-75x75.jpg 75w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 860px) 100vw, 860px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I sat down with author and illustrator <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.linamaslo.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Lina Maslo<\/a> to discuss her new book, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.linamaslo.com\/books.html\" target=\"_blank\">Through the Wardrobe: How C. S. Lewis Created Narnia<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>S3E31: \u201cAfter Hours\u201d with Lina Maslo<\/strong>&nbsp;(<a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/PWJ-S3E31.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Download<\/a>)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/PWJ-S3E31.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you enjoy this episode, you can subscribe&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/TheEagleAndChildPodcast\" target=\"_blank\">manually<\/a>, or&nbsp;any place where good podcasts can be found&nbsp;(<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-eagle-and-child-podcast-restless-pilgrim\/id1289456381\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/play.google.com\/music\/m\/Ixvobfgi2wk4rkdegdnbdqjjh44?t=The_Eagle_and_Child\" target=\"_blank\">Google Play<\/a>, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/podcast-detail\/wqkqe-5e798\/The+Eagle+and+Child\" target=\"_blank\">Podbean<\/a>, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=159766&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">Stitcher<\/a>, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/radio\/The-Eagle-and-Child-p1079872\/\" target=\"_blank\">TuneIn<\/a> and <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/overcast.fm\/itunes1289456381\/pints-with-jack\" target=\"_blank\">Overcast<\/a>), as well as on&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCcYFlFuyOmYL6LcuicqzULw\" target=\"_blank\">YouTube<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">More information about us can be found on our website, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pintswithjack.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">PintsWithJack.com<\/a>. If you\u2019d like to support us and get fantastic gifts,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/pintswithjack\">please join us on Patreon<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The roadmap for Season 3 is&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/pints-with-jack-season-3\/\">available here<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Time Stamps<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">00:44 &#8211; <em>Biography<\/em><br>01:42 &#8211; <em>Drink-of-the-week<\/em><br>02:17 &#8211; <em>Quote-of-the-week<\/em><br>03:43 &#8211; <em>How did you become an artist?<\/em><br>05:09 &#8211; <em>How did you discover C.S. Lewis?<\/em><br>07:07 &#8211; <em>Why a book about Lewis?<\/em><br>08:42 &#8211; <em>How did you begin?<\/em><br>16:21 &#8211; <em>How do you handle Lewis&#8217; tragedy?<\/em><br>18:39 &#8211; <em>What is your development process?<\/em><br>21:13 &#8211; <em>Talk through the book<\/em><br>44:03 &#8211; <em>What do you include at the end?<\/em><br>45:16 &#8211; <em>Interesting<\/em> facts<br>48:04 &#8211; <em>What are your future projects?<\/em><br>49:26 &#8211; <em>Last Call and Contact Info<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>YouTube Version<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I took a bit more time with the YouTube version of the podcast this week, integrating into the video some of Lina&#8217;s illustrations:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio wp-embed-aspect-16-9\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/xJSgp3F4ZZU?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>After Show Skype Session<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Rather than talking with Matt this week, I flicked through a paper edition of Lina&#8217;s book:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/lRh7MknX-4c?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Show Notes<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;I shared some biographical details about Lina:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Lina Maslo is an author and illustrator with a Degree in Art from New College of Florida. Though she spent most of her childhood in Florida, she was born in Ukraine, and came to the United States at the age of five. Lina\u2019s debut book, FREE AS A BIRD: THE STORY OF MALALA, is published by Balzer+Bray of HarperCollins. It is a Library Guild Selection, as well as a 2019 CCBC Choice, and the winner of the Living the Dream Book Award. Lina lives with her husband and children in South Carolina. She is an active member of the Society of Children&#8217;s Book Writers and Illustrators and you can find her on Instagram and Twitter @linamaslo.<\/p><cite>Biographical details of Lina Maslo<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;For the drink-of-the-week, I was drinking ginger beer. Lina was drinking <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.target.com\/p\/tazo-wild-sweet-orange-caffeine-free-herbal-tea-20ct\/-\/A-12954581\" target=\"_blank\">Tazo Wild Sweet Orange Tea<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;I shared the quote-of-the-week:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>When I was ten I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up. <\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, On Three Ways of Writing for Children<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;I asked Lina to explain how she became an artist.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;Lina shared how she came across C.S. Lewis. Her favourites were <em>Paralandra<\/em> and <em>The Great Divorce<\/em>. Her favourite Narnian book is <em>The Horse and His Boy<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;She explained why she chose to write a picture book about C.S. Lewis.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;I asked about Lina&#8217;s process of writing and illustrating the book. She spoke about reading books and travelling to the UK. She explained that she had also received a lot of help from <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.wheaton.edu\/academics\/academic-centers\/wadecenter\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Wade Center<\/a> and Douglas Gresham. Apparently Lewis was claustrophobic as a child!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;Since much of Jack&#8217;s life was marked by tragedy, I asked Lina how she went about adapting that content for a book to be read by children. During her answer, she quoted Jack himself:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Since it is so likely that (children) will meet cruel enemies, let them at least have heard of brave knights and heroic courage. Otherwise you are making their destiny not brighter but darker.<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, On Three Ways of Writing for Children<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;Lina explained the process or writing and drawing. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;Lina began talking us through her book. When speaking about Lewis telling stories, she quotes a letter from his cousin:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>&#8220;&#8230;sitting one very small in the wardrobe while Jack told us his tales of adventure.\u201d<\/p><cite>Claire&nbsp;Lewis Clapperton<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In the scene depicting his mother&#8217;s death, I noted that the silhouettes were evocative of this line from Lewis&#8217; spiritual autobiography:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>\u201cthe house became full of strange smells and midnight noises and sinister whispered conversations\u201d <\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Surprised By Joy<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The scene in the trenches has Lewis writing one of his poems:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>\u201cFaeries must be in the woods, Or the satyrs\u2019 laughing broods\u201d<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Spirits in Bondage<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;I particularly enjoyed Lina&#8217;s summary of some of the Narnian books:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>&#8230;\u201cto awaken the trees and the waters, and bring the badgers and squirrels and hares out of hiding\u201d <\/p><cite>Lina Maslo, Summary of <em>Prince Caspian<\/em><\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><em>&#8220;&#8230;to sail through nightmares and darkness and dragony thoughts, towards the sweet waters of Aslan\u2019s country\u201d<\/em><\/p><cite>Lina Maslo, Summary of The Voyage of the<em> Dawn Treader<\/em><\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;I (badly) recounted an incident between Lewis and a child in at a hotel:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><em>Once in a hotel dining-room I said, rather too loudly, &#8216;I loathe prunes: &#8216;So do I,&#8217; came an unexpected six-year-old voice from another table. Sympathy was instantaneous. Neither of us thought it funny. We both knew that prunes are far too nasty to be funny. That is the proper meeting between man and child as independent personalities.&nbsp;<\/em><\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, On Three Ways of Writing for Children<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;Lina explained the more detailed sections at the end of the book.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;I asked Lina about her future projects.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1043\" height=\"800\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Narnia.jpg?fit=860%2C659\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-76261\" srcset=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Narnia.jpg 1043w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Narnia-300x230.jpg 300w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Narnia-1024x785.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Narnia-768x589.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1043px) 100vw, 1043px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022 Find out more about Lina at her website, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.linamaslo.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">LinaMaslo.com<\/a>. You can purchase the book directly from <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.harpercollins.com\/9780062798565\/through-the-wardrobe-how-c-s-lewis-created-narnia\/\" target=\"_blank\">Harper Collins<\/a>, or <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Through-Wardrobe-Lewis-Created-Narnia-ebook\/dp\/B07ZZ68BJL\" target=\"_blank\">Amazon<\/a>, or your local bookseller. Follow her on Twitter <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/@LinaMaslo\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">@LinaMaslo<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I sat down with author and illustrator Lina Maslo to discuss her new book, Through the Wardrobe: How C. S. 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