{"id":75971,"date":"2020-05-12T00:01:00","date_gmt":"2020-05-12T07:01:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/?p=75971"},"modified":"2020-05-16T00:23:39","modified_gmt":"2020-05-16T07:23:39","slug":"pwj-s3e30","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/2020\/05\/12\/pwj-s3e30\/","title":{"rendered":"PWJ: S3E30 &#8211; AH &#8211; &#8220;After Hours&#8221; with Jason Lepoj\u00e4rvi"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"860\" height=\"645\" src=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Jason.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-76352\" srcset=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Jason.png 860w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Jason-300x225.png 300w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Jason-768x576.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 860px) 100vw, 860px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">After listening to a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.regentaudio.com\/products\/c-s-lewiss-famous-disagreement-with-augustine-on-love\">free talk from Regent Audio<\/a> by Dr. Jason Lepoj\u00e4rvi I knew we had to have him on the show. In this &#8220;After Hours&#8221; episode we talk about the theology of love and the disagreement between C.S. Lewis and St. Augustine.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>S3E30: \u201cAfter Hours\u201d with Jason Lepoj\u00e4rvi<\/strong>\u00a0(<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/PWJ-S3E30.mp3\" target=\"_blank\">Download<\/a>)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/PWJ-S3E30.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you enjoy this episode, you can subscribe&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/TheEagleAndChildPodcast\" target=\"_blank\">manually<\/a>, or&nbsp;any place where good podcasts can be found&nbsp;(<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-eagle-and-child-podcast-restless-pilgrim\/id1289456381\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/play.google.com\/music\/m\/Ixvobfgi2wk4rkdegdnbdqjjh44?t=The_Eagle_and_Child\" target=\"_blank\">Google Play<\/a>, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/podcast-detail\/wqkqe-5e798\/The+Eagle+and+Child\" target=\"_blank\">Podbean<\/a>, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=159766&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">Stitcher<\/a>, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/radio\/The-Eagle-and-Child-p1079872\/\" target=\"_blank\">TuneIn<\/a> and <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/overcast.fm\/itunes1289456381\/pints-with-jack\" target=\"_blank\">Overcast<\/a>), as well as on&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCcYFlFuyOmYL6LcuicqzULw\" target=\"_blank\">YouTube<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">More information about us can be found on our website, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.pintswithjack.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">PintsWithJack.com<\/a>. If you\u2019d like to support us and get fantastic gifts,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/pintswithjack\">please join us on Patreon<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The roadmap for Season 3 is&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/pints-with-jack-season-3\/\">available here<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Time Stamps<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">00:30 &#8211; <em>Biography<\/em><br>02:05 &#8211; <em>Drink-of-the-week<\/em><br>02:31 &#8211; <em>Quote-of-the-week<\/em><br>03:11 &#8211; <em>Dr. Lepoj\u00e4rvi and reality TV<\/em><br>05:28 &#8211; <em>Introduction to C.S. Lewis<\/em><br>07:55 &#8211; <em>Interest in love<\/em><br>12:28 &#8211; <em>Dr. Lepoj\u00e4rvi&#8217;s proposal<\/em><br>14:50 &#8211; <em>Love and worship<\/em><br>17:35 &#8211; <em>Who was St. Augustine?<\/em><br>20:36 &#8211; <em>The disagreement<\/em><br>26:31 &#8211; <em>Is Lewis&#8217; complaint legitimate?<\/em><br>36:21 &#8211; <em>Love and Till We Have Faces<\/em><br>44:01 &#8211; <em>Worship and Till We Have Faces<\/em><br>48:59 &#8211; <em>Marriage Advice<\/em><br>53:11 &#8211; <em>Dr. Lepoj\u00e4rvi<\/em>&#8216;s <em>contact info<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>YouTube Version<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/AXDS9iOvt6E?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>After Show Skype Session<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">No Skype Session this week!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Show Notes<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022 I read Dr. Lepoj\u00e4rvi&#8217;s biography:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Born to a Canadian mother and a Finnish father, Dr. Lepojarvi studied theology and philosophy at the University of Helsinki. His master\u2019s thesis focused on the theology of the body and sexuality by Pope John Paul II, and was published as the first introduction to the subject in Finnish. As a Visiting DPhil Candidate at Oriel College, Oxford, he served as the President of the Oxford University C. S. Lewis Society in 2012\u201313. After marrying his wife, Iisa, in 2013, the following year he was appointed the Junior Research Fellow in Theology at St Benet&#8217;s Hall. He\u2019s worked as a Scholar in Residence at Regent College in Vancouver and Assistant Professor of Religious Studies at Thorneloe University at Laurentian in Ontario, Canada. His doctoral dissertation &#8220;God Is Love but Love Is Not God: C. S. Lewis\u2019s Theology of Love&#8221; analyzed C. S. Lewis&#8217;s position in and contribution to the debate on love that preoccupied much of twentieth century Protestant and Roman Catholic thought.<\/p><cite>Biography of Dr. Jason Lepoj\u00e4rvi<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;I referenced the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.regentaudio.com\/products\/c-s-lewiss-famous-disagreement-with-augustine-on-love\">free talk from Regent Audio<\/a> where I first heard Dr. Lepoj\u00e4rvi speak on Lewis.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;For the drink-of-the-week, we were both drinking coffee.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;For the drink-of-the-week, I read a section from <em>The Four Loves<\/em> where Lewis expresses his disagreement with C.S. Lewis.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>\u201cThere is no escape along the lines St. Augustine suggests. Nor along any other lines. There is no safe investment. To love at all is to be vulnerable. Love anything, and your heart will certainly be wrung and possibly be broken\u2026 The only place outside Heaven where you can be perfectly safe from all the dangers and perturbations of love is Hell.\u201d<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, The Four Loves<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022 We spoke about why Jason&#8217;s involvement in Survivor, as well as why he&#8217;s called &#8220;Dr. Love&#8221;, including his work with \u201cMarried at first sight\u201d. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022 There was some discussion of his doctoral work, as well as the relationship between St. Pope John-Paul II and C.S. Lewis. I spoke about my own desire to connect Theology of the Body with <a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/2010\/12\/07\/early-church-fathers-love-romance\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">St. John Crysostom<\/a>. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022 Jason told us the story of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=y790R1Me594\">his proposal<\/a>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/y790R1Me594?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022 We also spoke about his post-doctorial work on the theology of worship.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022 I referenced a paper <a href=\"https:\/\/www.academia.edu\/16547138\/_A_Friends_Death_C._S._Lewiss_Disagreement_with_Augustine_Sehnsucht_The_C._S._Lewis_Journal\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">written<\/a> which described the dispute between Augustine and Lewis. I asked him to introduce St. Augustine to those who are unfamiliar with his life.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022 Dr. Lepoj\u00e4rvi explained Lewis&#8217; complaint against Augustine.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022 Connecting love and worship, I quoted <em>Till We Have Faces<\/em>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>\u2026Psyche herself was, in a manner, no one. I loved her as I would once have thought it impossible to love, would have died any death for her. And yet, it was not, not now, she that really counted. Or if she counted (and oh, gloriously she did) it was for another&#8217;s sake. The earth and stars and sun, all that was or will be, existed for his sake. And he was coming. The most dreadful, the most beautiful, the only dread and beauty there is, was coming.<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Till We Have Faces (Part II, Chapter 4)<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022 Since I\u2019m getting married in about three months, I asked Dr. Love for any advice he had to offer!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022 You can find out more about Dr. Lepoj\u00e4rvi at his <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/thorneloe.academia.edu\/JasonLepoj%C3%A4rvi\" target=\"_blank\">Academia.edu page<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/studycslewis.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">his website<\/a> , <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/jason.lepojarvi\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Facebook<\/a> and <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/JasonLepojarvi\" target=\"_blank\">Twitter<\/a>. I&#8217;d also recommend watching this video <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=J8TSEGMi5Pw\">where he&#8217;s interviewed<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>After listening to a free talk from Regent Audio by Dr. Jason Lepoj\u00e4rvi I knew we had to have him on the show. In this &#8220;After Hours&#8221; episode we talk about the theology of love and the disagreement between C.S. 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