{"id":75596,"date":"2020-04-07T03:00:00","date_gmt":"2020-04-07T10:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/?p=75596"},"modified":"2020-04-08T09:17:13","modified_gmt":"2020-04-08T16:17:13","slug":"pwj-s3e21","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/2020\/04\/07\/pwj-s3e21\/","title":{"rendered":"PWJ: S3E21 \u2013 TWHF (Pt 2 \u2013 Ch 2) &#8211; \u201cTroubled Vision\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"860\" height=\"573\" src=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/Opticians.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-75774\" srcset=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/Opticians.jpg 860w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/Opticians-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/Opticians-768x512.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 860px) 100vw, 860px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Orual has a vision of the King which help her begin to see clearly&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>S3E21: \u201cTroubled Visions\u201d<\/strong>&nbsp;(<a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/PWJ-S3E21.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Download<\/a>)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/PWJ-S3E21.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you enjoy this episode, you can subscribe&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/TheEagleAndChildPodcast\" target=\"_blank\">manually<\/a>, or&nbsp;any place where good podcasts can be found&nbsp;(<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-eagle-and-child-podcast-restless-pilgrim\/id1289456381\" target=\"_blank\">iTunes<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/play.google.com\/music\/m\/Ixvobfgi2wk4rkdegdnbdqjjh44?t=The_Eagle_and_Child\" target=\"_blank\">Google Play<\/a>, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/podcast-detail\/wqkqe-5e798\/The+Eagle+and+Child\" target=\"_blank\">Podbean<\/a>, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=159766&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\">Stitcher<\/a>, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/radio\/The-Eagle-and-Child-p1079872\/\" target=\"_blank\">TuneIn<\/a> and <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/overcast.fm\/itunes1289456381\/pints-with-jack\" target=\"_blank\">Overcast<\/a>), as well as on&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCcYFlFuyOmYL6LcuicqzULw\" target=\"_blank\">YouTube<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you\u2019d like to support us and get fantastic gifts,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/pintswithjack\">please join us on Patreon<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Season 3 roadmap is&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/pints-with-jack-season-3\/\">available here<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Time Stamps<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">01:05 &#8211; <em>Drink-of-the-week<\/em><br>02:21 &#8211; <em>Quote-of-the-week<\/em><br>03:43 &#8211; <em>Corona life update<\/em><br>05:40 &#8211; <em>Chapter Summary<\/em><br>49:29 &#8211; <em>Closing remarks<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>YouTube Version<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/tc-fdlFM0Gk?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>After Show Skype Session<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This Season, after each episode, Matt and I will be recording a short Skype conversation about one particular topic that was raised during the podcast:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/KJrCjlzKgxw?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Show Notes<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;I was joined by Matt &#8220;You can&#8217;t keep a good man down&#8221; Bush.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;I was drinking a Quarantini. Matt&#8217;s self-control collapsed like a house of cards and went and made his own.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;The quote-of-the-week was:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>\u201cYou cannot escape Ungit by going to the deadlands, for she is there also. Die before you die. There is no chance after.\u201d<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Till We Have Faces (Part II, Chapter 2)<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;We spoke about how our lives have changed following the Corona virus.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;I gave my 150-word summary:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Orual is in the Temple for the Springtime ritual. She sits in the Temple with Arnom waiting for midday. In the meantime, she peppers the priest with questions about Ungit, without getting satisfying answers. She sees a peasant woman come into the Temple to offer sacrifice on Ungit&#8217;s stone and goes away revitalised. At noon, Arnom passes through the western door and is greeted by joyful crowds. When Orual returns to the Palace, she has a vision of her father, who takes her to the Pillar Room. They progressively dig, passing through smaller and smaller copies of the Pillar Room, until they finally arrive before the king&#8217;s mirror. Orual sees and declares that she is Ungit. Orual then tries to commit suicide, first with her sword and then by downing herself in the river during the night, but the god of the mountain commands her to stop.<\/p><cite>Summary of Part II, Chapter II of Till We Have Faces<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;Matt referenced Les Miserables.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;Orual is about to take part in Temple liturgy which she mentioned earlier:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Every spring the Priest is shut into [the Temple] and fights, or makes believe to fight, his way out through the western door; and this means that the new year is born<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Till We Have Faces (Part I, Chapter 9)<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">She gives us some more details:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>\u201cthe Priest is shut up in the house of Ungit from sunset, and on the following noon fights his way out\u201d<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Till We Have Faces (Part II, Chapter 2)<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;We find out what went on during the night:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>&#8230;there had been censing and slaughtering, and pouring of wine and pouring of blood, and dancing and feasting and towsing of girls, and burning of fat, all night long.<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Till We Have Faces (Part II, Chapter 2)<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;Orual talks about the waste in the Temple:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>And I thought how the seed of men that might have gone to make hardy boys and fruitful girls was drained into that house, and nothing given back; and how the silver that men had earned hard and needed was also drained in there, and nothing given back; and how the girls themselves were devoured and were given nothing back.<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Till We Have Faces (Part II, Chapter 2)<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;We are told the story that the Ungit stone came up from the ground:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>\u201ca foretaste of, or an ambassador from, whatever things may live and work down there one below the other all the way down under the dark and weight and heat\u201d<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Till We Have Faces (Part II, Chapter 2)<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Orual describes the stone thus:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>I have said she had no face; but that meant she had a thousand faces. For she was very uneven, lumpy and furrowed, so that, as when we gaze into a fire, you could always see some face or other.<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Till We Have Faces (Part II, Chapter 2)<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;Orual asks Arnom, the priest, a series of questions about Ungit. In the end she gives up, concluding:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>&#8220;It&#8217;s very strange that our fathers should first think it worth telling us that rain falls out of the sky, and then, for fear such a notable secret should get out\u2026wrap it up in a filthy tale so that no one could understand the telling.&#8221;<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Till We Have Faces (Part II, Chapter 2)<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;She witnesses a woman come and worship the Ungit stone and return soothed:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>\u201cit was as if a sponge had been passed over her. The trouble was soothed. She was calm, patient, able for whatever she had to do\u201d<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Till We Have Faces (Part II, Chapter 2)<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;When the time comes, the priest breaks out of the Temple and is greeted by the people:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>&#8220;He is born! He is born!&#8221; and whirling their rattles, and throwing wheat-seed into the air, all sweaty and struggling and climbing on one another&#8217;s backs to get a sight of Arnom and the rest of us&#8230;<br><br>&#8230;looking as if all the world was well because a man dressed up as a bird had walked out of a door after striking a few blows with a wooden sword. Even those who were knocked down in the press to see us made light of it and indeed laughed louder than the others. I saw two farmers whom I well knew for bitterest enemies\u2026clap hands and cry, &#8220;He&#8217;s born!&#8221; brothers for the moment\u201d<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Till We Have Faces (Part II, Chapter 2)<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;Orual has a vision where she and her father dig down through the Pillar Room, below where the Fox can help her:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>\u201cThere&#8217;s no Fox to help you here,&#8230; We&#8217;re far below any dens that foxes can dig.&#8221;<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Till We Have Faces (Part II, Chapter 2)<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This is appropriate, given that Orual\u2019s name in Greek, oruksis, means \u201cdigging\u201d or \u201cexcavation\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;She stands in front of a mirror and sees Ungit in her reflection:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>&#8220;Who is Ungit?&#8221; said he, still holding my hand. Then he led me across the floor\u2026 I saw that mirror on the wall\u2026 I was not so much dragged as sucked along till we stood right in front of the mirror\u2026 my face was the face of Ungit as I had seen it that day in her house. &#8220;Who is Ungit?&#8221; asked the King. &#8220;I am Ungit.&#8221; My voice came wailing out of me and I found that I was in the cool daylight and in my own chamber.<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Till We Have Faces (Part II, Chapter 2)<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">She concludes that this vision was true:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Without question it was true. It was I who was Ungit. That ruinous face was mine. I was that Battathing, that all-devouring womblike, yet barren, thing. Glome was a web \u2014 I the swollen spider, squat at its center, gorged with men&#8217;s stolen lives.&nbsp;<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Till We Have Faces (Part II, Chapter 2)<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2022&nbsp;Orual reflects on the human soul:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>There must, whether the gods see it or not, be something great in the mortal soul. For suffering, it seems, is infinite, and our capacity without limit.<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Till We Have Faces (Part II, Chapter 2)<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">When she can&#8217;t kill herself with her sword, she goes out the Shennit in the middle of the night:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>My disguise now would be to go bareface; there was hardly anyone who had seen me unveiled\u2026<br><br>It would have shamed me no more to go buff-naked&#8230;<\/p><p>I was Ungit; I in her and she in me. Perhaps if any saw me, they would worship me. I had become what the people, and the old Priest, called holy.&nbsp;<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Till We Have Faces (Part II, Chapter 2)<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">However, when she tries to drown herself, the god appears:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>A voice came from beyond the river: &#8220;Do not do it.&#8221; &#8230;It was the voice of a god\u2026 No one who hears a god&#8217;s voice takes it for a mortal&#8217;s. &#8220;Lord, who are you?&#8221; said I.<br><br>&#8220;Do not do it,&#8221; said the god. &#8220;You cannot escape Ungit by going to the deadlands, for she is there also. Die before you die. There is no chance after.&#8221; &#8220;Lord, I am Ungit.&#8221; But there was no answer\u2026<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Till We Have Faces (Part II, Chapter 2)<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I said that this reminded me an epigram above the gateway of an Orthodox Christian monastery on Mt. Athos:<em> \u201cIf You Die Before You Die Then You Won\u2019t Die When You Die.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It also reminded me of Jesus&#8217; words:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>For whoever would save his life will lose it; and whoever loses his life for my sake and the gospel\u2019s will save it.<\/p><cite>Mark 8:35<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I compared this to the first line of the Beatitudes, that the &#8220;poor in spirit&#8221; are those who declare spiritual bankruptcy and throw themselves upon the mercy of God.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>As a hart longs for flowing streams, so longs my soul for thee, O God. My soul thirsts for God, for the living God<\/p><cite>Psalm 42:1-2<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Orual herself reflects:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>The voice of the god had not changed in all those years, but I had. There was no rebel in me now. I must not drown and doubtless should not be able to&#8230; when I laid my head on my pillow it seemed but a moment before my women came to wake me, whether because the whole journey had been a dream or because my weariness (which would be no wonder) had thrown me into a very fast sleep.<\/p><cite>C.S. Lewis, Till We Have Faces (Part II, Chapter 2)<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This is an echo of what Lewis taught in Mere Christianity:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>[Man] had tried to set up on his own, to behave as if he belonged to himself. In other words, fallen man is not simply an imperfect creature who needs improvement: he is a <strong>rebel<\/strong> who must lay down his arms. Laying down your arms, surrendering, saying you are sorry, realising that you have been on the wrong track and getting ready to <strong>start life over again<\/strong> from the <strong>ground floor<\/strong>\u2014that is the only way out of a &#8220;<strong>hole<\/strong>.&#8221; This process of surrender\u2014this movement full speed astern\u2014is what Christians call repentance. Now repentance is no fun at all. It is something much harder than merely eating humble pie. It means <strong>unlearning<\/strong> all the self-conceit and self-will that we have been <strong>training ourselves<\/strong> into for thousands of years. It means <strong>killing<\/strong> part of yourself, undergoing a kind of <strong>death<\/strong>.<\/p><cite>C.S. 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