{"id":67515,"date":"2018-05-01T07:00:47","date_gmt":"2018-05-01T14:00:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/?p=67515"},"modified":"2019-09-19T11:42:34","modified_gmt":"2019-09-19T18:42:34","slug":"the-eagle-and-child-s1e25","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/2018\/05\/01\/the-eagle-and-child-s1e25\/","title":{"rendered":"PWJ: S1E25 &#8211; MC B3C12 &#8211; &#8220;Faith&#8221; (Part 2)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-67518\" src=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/Faith.jpg\" alt=\"Faith\" width=\"850\" height=\"469\" srcset=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/Faith.jpg 850w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/Faith-300x166.jpg 300w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/Faith-768x424.jpg 768w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/Faith-600x331.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 850px) 100vw, 850px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>And so we come to the final chapter of Book III. Continuing on from last chapter, we continue to examine &#8220;faith&#8221;. This chapter focuses on faith in terms of salvation.<\/p>\n<p>If you enjoy this episode, you can subscribe\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/TheEagleAndChildPodcast\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">manually<\/a>, or\u00a0any place where good podcasts can be found\u00a0(<a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-eagle-and-child-podcast-restless-pilgrim\/id1289456381\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">iTunes<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/play.google.com\/music\/m\/Ixvobfgi2wk4rkdegdnbdqjjh44?t=The_Eagle_and_Child\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Google Play<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/podcast-detail\/wqkqe-5e798\/The+Eagle+and+Child\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Podbean<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/s?fid=159766&amp;refid=stpr\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Stitcher<\/a>\u00a0and\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/radio\/The-Eagle-and-Child-p1079872\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">TuneIn<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>Please send any objections, comments or questions, either via email\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/contact\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">through my website<\/a>\u00a0or tweet us\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/pintswithjack\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">@pintswithjack<\/a>. Be sure to follow\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/pintswithjack\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">our new Instagram account<\/a>!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Episode 25: &#8220;Faith&#8221; (Part 2)<\/strong>\u00a0(<a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/TEAC-S1E25.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Download<\/a>)<\/p>\n<audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-67515-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/TEAC-S1E25.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/TEAC-S1E25.mp3\">http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/TEAC-S1E25.mp3<\/a><\/audio>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline\"><strong>&#8212; Show Notes &#8212;<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u2022 My outline for\u00a0today&#8217;s chapter is available\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/2017\/09\/23\/mere-christianity-b3c12\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">here<\/a>. Unfortunately, there isn\u2019t a C.S. Lewis Doodle for it.<\/p>\n<p>\u2022 Matt and I talk about updating the podcast introduction. When we finish Mere Christianity and start a new book in Season 2, Matt will be taking over the introduction. Matt thinks I&#8217;ll have trouble letting go control, but we shall see&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>\u2022\u00a0We left the previous episode on a cliffhanger. In today&#8217;s episode, C.S. Lewis will talk to us more about the second meaning of &#8220;faith&#8221;&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>\u2022 The Quote-of-the-week comes from &#8220;God in the Dock&#8221;:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\">&#8220;&#8216;What are we to make of Christ?&#8217; There is no question of what we can make of Him, it is entirely a question of what He intends to make of us. You must accept or reject the story&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><em><span style=\"color: #000080\">&#8211; C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p>\u2022 The drink-of-the-week was the same as last week, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.themacallan.com\/the-whisky\/sherry-oak\/sherry-oak-12\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Macallan 12<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>\u2022 I answer the question &#8220;What does C.S. Lewis keep in the back of his wardrobe?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>\u2022 Lewis says that, if the contents of this chapter doesn&#8217;t help you,\u00a0skip it:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\">If this chapter means nothing to you, if it seems to be trying to answer questions you never asked, drop it at once.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><em><span style=\"color: #000080\">&#8211; C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity (Book III, Chapter 12)<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p>However, this exemption does NOT apply to this podcast!<\/p>\n<p>\u2022 In the previous episode, Jack spent time describing one definition of faith, which is fidelity to what you reason has told you, despite a storm of emotions. Towards the end of that chapter he began to introduce a second definition for faith, and that is what he spends the rest of today&#8217;s chapter expounding.<\/p>\n<p>\u2022 When we really try and live out the Moral Law, we fail miserably. It is at this point that the second kind of faith comes into play&#8230;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\">Faith in this sense arises after a man has tried his level best to practise the Christian virtues, and found that he fails, and seen that even if he could he would only be giving back to God what was already God&#8217;s own. In other words, he discovers his bankruptcy.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\"><em>&#8211; C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity (Book III, Chapter 12)<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u2022 What does God want from us. This goes back to the &#8220;Heavenly or Hellish Creature&#8221; we have mentioned before. God cares about the sort of creature we are becoming:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\">&#8230;what God cares about is not exactly our actions. What he cares about is that we should be creatures of a certain kind or quality- the kind of creatures He intended us to be-creatures related to Himself in a certain way.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\"><em>&#8211; C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity (Book III, Chapter 12)<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u2022 If we are in right relationship with God, we will naturally be in right relationship with other human beings:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\">&#8230;if you are right with Him you will inevitably be right with all your fellow-creatures, just as if all the spokes of a wheel are fitted rightly into the hub and the rim they are bound to be in the right positions to one another<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\"><em>&#8211; C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity (Book III, Chapter 12)<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u2022 I suggested that &#8220;spiritual bankruptcy&#8221; is what Jesus had in mind when he began the Beatitudes:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #993300\">&#8220;Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven&#8230;&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #993300\">&#8211; Matthew 5:3<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u2022\u00a0This bankruptcy leads us to the point at which we hand things over to God&#8230;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\">&#8230;discover our failure to keep God&#8217;s law except by trying our very hardest (and then failing). Unless we really try, whatever we say there will always be at the back of our minds the idea that if we try harder next time we shall succeed in being completely good. Thus, in one sense, the road back to God is a road of moral effort, of trying harder and harder. But in another sense it is not trying that is ever going to bring us home. All this trying leads up to the vital moment at which you turn to God and say, &#8220;You must do this. I can&#8217;t.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\"><em>&#8211; C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity (Book III, Chapter 12)<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u2022 Some people experience all this in a moment, such as St. Paul, or John Bunyan, the author of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/John-Bunyan-Pilgrims-Progress\/dp\/1541072642\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Pilgrim&#8217;s Progress<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>\u2022 At this point, we put our trust in Christ&#8230;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\">The sense in which a Christian leaves it to God is that he puts all his trust in Christ: trusts that Christ will somehow share with him the perfect human obedience which He carried out from His birth to His crucifixion: that Christ will make the man more like Himself and, in a sense, make good his deficiencies.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\"><em>&#8211; C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity (Book III, Chapter 12)<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u2022\u00a0This is the best deal you&#8217;ll ever get&#8230;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\">Christ offers something for nothing: He even offers everything for nothing. In a sense, the whole Christian life consists in accepting that very remarkable offer<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\"><em>&#8211; C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity (Book III, Chapter 12)<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u2022 This still requires obedience, however, &#8230;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\">There would be no sense in saying you trusted a person if you would not take his advice. Thus if you have really handed yourself over to Him, it must follow that you are trying to obey Him. But trying in a new way, a less worried way. Not doing these things in order to be saved, but because He has begun to save you already. Not hoping to get to Heaven as a reward for your actions, but inevitably wanting to act in a certain way because a first faint gleam of Heaven is already inside you.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\"><em>&#8211; C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity (Book III, Chapter 12)<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u2022 I mention Theosis, the idea central to Eastern Christianity that salvation and sanctification relates to our participation in the life of the Trinity.<\/p>\n<p>\u2022 What is the relationship between Faith and Works?<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\">Christians have often disputed as to whether what leads the Christian home is good actions, or Faith in Christ. I have no right really to speak on such a difficult question, but it does seem to me like asking which blade in a pair of scissors is most necessary<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\"><em>&#8211; C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity (Book III, Chapter 12)<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u2022 Perhaps we can see the issue clearer if we compare the parodies of the two extreme positions.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\">One set were accused of saying, &#8220;Good actions are all that matters. The best good action is charity. The best kind of charity is giving money. The best thing to give money to is the Church. So hand us over 10,000 pounds and we will see you through.&#8221; The answer to that nonsense, of course, would be that good actions done for that motive, done with the idea that Heaven can be bought, would not be good actions at all, but only commercial speculations.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\"><em>&#8211; C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity (Book III, Chapter 12)<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\">The other set were accused of saying, &#8220;Faith is all that matters. Consequently, if you have faith, it doesn&#8217;t matter what you do. Sin away, my lad, and have a good time and Christ will see that it makes no difference in the end.&#8221; The answer to that nonsense is that, if what you call your &#8220;faith&#8221; in Christ does not involve taking the slightest notice of what He says, then it is not Faith at all-not faith or trust in Him, but only intellectual acceptance of some theory about Him.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\"><em>&#8211; C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity (Book III, Chapter 12)<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u2022 Lewis then\u00a0considers this verse of Scripture:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #993300\">&#8230;work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #993300\"><em>&#8211; Philippians 2:12-13<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\">The first half is, &#8220;Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling&#8221;-which looks as if everything depended on us and our good actions: but the second half goes on, &#8220;For it is God who worketh in you&#8221;- which looks as if God did everything and we nothing.\u00a0I am afraid that is the sort of thing we come up against in Christianity. I am puzzled, but I am not surprised. You see, we are now trying to understand, and to separate into water-tight compartments, what exactly God does and what man does when God and man are working together&#8230;\u00a0you will find that even those who insist most strongly on the importance of good actions tell you you need Faith; and even those who insist most strongly on Faith tell you to do good actions.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\"><em>&#8211; C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity (Book III, Chapter 12)<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u2022\u00a0Jack then concludes the chapter&#8230;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\">I think all Christians would agree with me if I said that though Christianity seems at first to be all about morality, all about duties and rules and guilt and virtue, yet it leads you on, out of all that, into something beyond. One has a glimpse of a country where they do not talk of those things, except perhaps as a joke. Every one there is filled full with what we should call goodness as a mirror is filled with light But they do not call it goodness. They do not call it anything. They are not thinking of it. They are too busy looking at the source from which it comes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000080\"><em>&#8211; C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity (Book III, Chapter 12)<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>And so we come to the final chapter of Book III. Continuing on from last chapter, we continue to examine &#8220;faith&#8221;. This chapter focuses on faith in terms of salvation. If you enjoy this episode, you can subscribe\u00a0manually, or\u00a0any place where good podcasts can be found\u00a0(iTunes,\u00a0Google Play,\u00a0Podbean,\u00a0Stitcher\u00a0and\u00a0TuneIn). 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