{"id":60978,"date":"2016-03-12T07:00:28","date_gmt":"2016-03-12T14:00:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/?p=60978"},"modified":"2016-03-12T10:29:20","modified_gmt":"2016-03-12T17:29:20","slug":"soul-sleep","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/2016\/03\/12\/soul-sleep\/","title":{"rendered":"Quick Apology: Soul Sleep?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The other day I received an email from a reader who had spoken to a non-Catholic\u00a0with a rather rare\u00a0point-of-view, and who asked for helpful suggestions when speaking to him&#8230;<\/p>\n<h2>Objection<\/h2>\n<p>During a discussion about the Saints, the Protestant in question made\u00a0the following statement:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><em><span style=\"color: #000080\">&#8220;&#8230;no one is in Heaven except Jesus, Enoch, and Elijah.&#8221;<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p>This sort of theological position is rarely held by those in mainstream Protestantism, but how might we respond to this?<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-60980 size-full\" src=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Soul-Sleep.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"850\" height=\"567\" srcset=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Soul-Sleep.jpg 850w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Soul-Sleep-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Soul-Sleep-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Soul-Sleep-600x400.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 850px) 100vw, 850px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<h2>Response<\/h2>\n<p>It appears that this person\u00a0seems to believe in the doctrine of &#8220;Soul Sleep&#8221;, something which one finds more typically among Jehvoah Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventists. The idea is that those who have died are not alive with God in Heaven, but either unconscious or in a state of complete non-existence which continues until the final resurrection.<\/p>\n<p>If I were\u00a0speaking to this person, the first thing I would do is confirm that I understood his\u00a0position accurately. After all, there would be little point in refuting a position which the other person didn&#8217;t actually hold!<\/p>\n<h3>Scriptural Response<\/h3>\n<p>There are\u00a0various rebuttals to this doctrine of &#8220;Soul Sleep&#8221;, but here are some of my favourites:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>1. In\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Matthew+17%3A1-8&amp;version=NIV\" target=\"_blank\">Matthew 17:1-8<\/a>, Jesus is seen talking to Moses and Elijah. Now, given this person&#8217;s belief, Elijah&#8217;s presence makes sense&#8230;but what about Moses? Was Moses\u00a0briefly reanimated to have this conversation with Jesus and then sent back to sleep until the Resurrection?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote><p>2. In\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Revelation+5%3A8&amp;version=NIV\" target=\"_blank\">Revelation 5:8<\/a>, we see Saints in Heaven before the throne of God offering prayers. Were they actually talking in their sleep?! In\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Revelation+6%3A9-10&amp;version=NIV\" target=\"_blank\">Revelation 6:9-10<\/a> we see them crying out to God. How can these Saints\u00a0be doing this if they&#8217;re asleep or have ceased\u00a0existing?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote><p>3. In <a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblegateway.com\/passage\/?search=Luke+16%3A22&amp;version=NIV\" target=\"_blank\">Luke 16:22<\/a>, in the parable of Lazarus and the Rich man, Jesus describes an angel taking Lazarus to Abraham and the two of them conversing. How can they do that if they&#8217;re asleep or not existing? In telling this story, was Jesus describing a completely\u00a0fictitious\u00a0reality?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>There are other rebuttals out there, both philosophical and Scriptural, which can be put to good use in refuting &#8220;Soul Sleep&#8221;. If you regularly encounter people who hold such beliefs, I would invite you to listen to the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.instituteofcatholicculture.org\/kingdom-of-the-cults-jehovahs-witnesses-mormons-seventh-day-adventists\/\" target=\"_blank\">lectures on the Jehovah Witnesses and Seventh-Day Adventists<\/a> at the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.instituteofcatholicculture.org\" target=\"_blank\">Institute of Catholic Culture<\/a>.<\/p>\n<h2>Questions in return<\/h2>\n<p>As with any good apologetics exchange, it&#8217;s always good if you can respond with questions of your own. If I were\u00a0speaking to a Protestant who believed in a doctrine like &#8220;Soul Sleep&#8221;, I would ask him two questions.\u00a0The first question calls into question his\u00a0interpretation of Scripture:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>1. Where does it explicitly talk about &#8220;Soul Sleep&#8221; in the Bible?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The second question hopefully would give\u00a0the person pause for thought by underscoring the lonely theological position being adopted:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>2. This doctrine is entirely absent from mainstream Protestantism (Anglican, Lutheran etc.) and is pretty much restricted to groups which you yourself would regard as heretical (Jehovah Witnesses and Seventh-Day Adventists).\u00a0Here is what Calvin had to say about &#8220;Soul Sleep&#8221;:<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000080\"><em>&#8220;[The Apostle] speaks of the dead as asleep, agreeably to the common practice of Scripture &#8211; a term by which the bitterness of death is mitigated, for there is a great difference between sleep and destruction. <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">It refers, however, not to the soul, but to the body, for the dead body lies in the tomb, as in a couch, until God raise up the man<\/span>. Those, therefore, act a foolish part, who infer from this that souls sleep&#8221;<\/em> &#8211; Calvin&#8217;s Commentaries, Volume XXI<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000\">If all Protestants are following <em>Sola Scriptura<\/em>, why is it that you are one of the <strong>very few<\/strong> to notice this crucial doctrine of &#8220;Soul Sleep&#8221;?<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>There was a second question in the reader&#8217;s email and I&#8217;ll respond to in the next few days\u00a0\ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The other day I received an email from a reader who had spoken to a non-Catholic\u00a0with a rather rare\u00a0point-of-view, and who asked for helpful suggestions when speaking to him&#8230; Objection During a discussion about the Saints, the Protestant in question made\u00a0the following statement: &#8220;&#8230;no one is in Heaven except Jesus, Enoch, and Elijah.&#8221; This sort of theological position is rarely<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":60982,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_crdt_document":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[17],"tags":[3630,2969,1589,2909,3629,2279,3628],"class_list":["post-60978","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-faith","tag-annihilationism","tag-featured","tag-jehovah-witnesses","tag-jw","tag-sda","tag-seventh-day-adventist","tag-soul-sleep"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Soul-Sleep-1.jpg","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/60978","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=60978"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/60978\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":61267,"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/60978\/revisions\/61267"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/60982"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=60978"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=60978"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=60978"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}