{"id":46803,"date":"2014-10-25T07:00:19","date_gmt":"2014-10-25T14:00:19","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/?p=46803"},"modified":"2021-02-05T17:13:14","modified_gmt":"2021-02-06T00:13:14","slug":"pray-to-saints","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/2014\/10\/25\/pray-to-saints\/","title":{"rendered":"What does it mean &#8220;to pray to a Saint&#8221;?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>This blog post is meant as a supplement to my earlier earlier posts on the subject of Saintly intercession (<a title=\"Quick Apology: You can\u2019t pray to dead people\" href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/2014\/08\/26\/you-cant-pray-to-dead-people\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">read here<\/a> and <a title=\"Quick Apology: Why not go to the source?\" href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/2014\/09\/27\/why-not-the-source\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">here<\/a>)&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-46910 aligncenter\" src=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/all_saints.jpg\" alt=\"all_saints\" width=\"600\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/all_saints.jpg 600w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/all_saints-300x150.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>One issue\u00a0we have in Catholic-Protestant dialogue concerning the Saints is the language we use. You will often hear Catholics talking about <span style=\"color: #000000\"><em>&#8220;praying <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">to<\/span> Saints&#8221;<\/em><\/span>. However, it is important to point out that what we really mean is that we&#8217;re <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">asking<\/span> the Saints <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">to pray for us<\/span>.<\/p>\n<h2>What&#8217;s in a name?<\/h2>\n<p>Part of the problem is the use of the verb &#8220;to pray&#8221;. It can mean two different things, depending on context. The word itself comes into English from the Latin word <em>\u201cprecari\u201d<\/em>, which means <em>\u201cobtained by entreaty\u201d<\/em>. To pray, therefore, means to ask for something.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/Pray.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-79835\" src=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/Pray.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"375\" height=\"76\" srcset=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/Pray.png 375w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/Pray-300x61.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 375px) 100vw, 375px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This is aptly demonstrated in my favorite Shakespeare play, <em>A Much Ado About Nothing\u00a0<\/em>(Act 2, Scene 3):<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000000\"><strong>BENEDICK<\/strong>:\u00a0<em>An he had been a dog that should have howled thus, they would have hanged him: and <strong>I pray God<\/strong> his bad voice bode no mischief\u2026<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000000\"><strong>DON PEDRO<\/strong>: <em>Yea, marry, dost thou hear, Balthasar? <strong>I pray thee<\/strong>, get us some excellent music\u2026<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>Here you see both uses of the word <em>\u201cpray\u201d<\/em>. In the first, Benedick petitions God, and in the second, Don Pedro asks Balthasar for music. In the former, a request is made to God, in the latter, to man.<\/p>\n<h2>A better dialogue<\/h2>\n<p>While I think that pointing out this distinction goes a long way to further Catholic-Protestant dialogue, I think that Catholics should go the extra mile and be careful with the way they speak around Protestants, so as to communicate the Catholic Faith as clearly as possible.<\/p>\n<p>When talking with Protestants about praying to Saints, it might be worth spelling out exactly what you mean, saying explicitly that you&#8217;re asking the Saints for their intercession before the throne of God. Rather than talking about\u00a0<em>&#8220;Praying <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">to<\/span> the Saints&#8221;<\/em>, you might speak about <em>&#8220;Praying\u00a0<span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">with<\/span> the Saints&#8221;<\/em>. Most Protestants are used to talking about praying\u00a0<span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">with<\/span> friends, so when expressed in these terms,\u00a0the Catholic devotion will seem less alien and more accessible.<\/p>\n<p>All you angels and saints, pray for us.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This blog post is meant as a supplement to my earlier earlier posts on the subject of Saintly intercession (read here and here)&#8230; One issue\u00a0we have in Catholic-Protestant dialogue concerning the Saints is the language we use. You will often hear Catholics talking about &#8220;praying to Saints&#8221;. 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