{"id":23972,"date":"2015-01-23T07:00:44","date_gmt":"2015-01-23T14:00:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/?p=23972"},"modified":"2016-10-24T07:25:49","modified_gmt":"2016-10-24T14:25:49","slug":"pushing-our-religion","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/2015\/01\/23\/pushing-our-religion\/","title":{"rendered":"Pushing our pro-life religion"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Have you ever been speaking about abortion and heard someone who&#8217;s pro-choice exasperatingly exclaim\u00a0<span style=\"color: #000000\"><em>&#8220;Stop imposing your religion on me!&#8221;<\/em>?<em>\u00a0<\/em><\/span>Well,\u00a0today&#8217;s entry in this <a href=\"restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/tag\/march-for-life-2015\/?order=asc\" target=\"_blank\">abortion series<\/a> addresses that very issue&#8230;<\/p>\n<h2>Why are you pro-life?<\/h2>\n<p>Last year, I posted on Facebook that I was at the <a href=\"http:\/\/marchforlife.org\" target=\"_blank\">March For Life<\/a>\u00a0in Washington DC. This raised the interest of some of my pro-choice friends, so I explained to them why\u00a0I&#8217;m against abortion and why I&#8217;m pro-life.<\/p>\n<p>In response to my explanation,\u00a0I was told again and again that Christians should stop imposing their\u00a0religion on others.\u00a0I found the objection rather odd. Why? Well, I found it strange because I hadn&#8217;t mentioned religion once in any of my arguments. Neither had any of my friends when they contributed to the thread. All the arguments against abortion which were presented did not rely at all on a theistic worldview.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-53590\" src=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/FeaturedPushingReligion.jpg\" alt=\"FeaturedPushingReligion\" width=\"800\" height=\"235\" srcset=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/FeaturedPushingReligion.jpg 850w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/FeaturedPushingReligion-300x88.jpg 300w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/FeaturedPushingReligion-600x176.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Interestingly, the people who first brought religion into our discussion were those who were\u00a0pro-choice. Again and again they returned to the\u00a0idea that we were arguing against abortion on religious grounds. However, we never mentioned God, nor did we cite any religious text or authority. Funnily enough,\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/brandonvogt.com\/why-the-president-is-wrong-on-abortion\/#comment-1213396349\" target=\"_blank\">something very similar happened<\/a>\u00a0on Brandon Vogt&#8217;s blog around the same time&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately, rather than\u00a0responding to our\u00a0(non-theistic) arguments, some retorted with cheap shots against the Christian faith. Not only that, we were repeatedly treated to my own personal pet peeve, the armchair interpretation of Bible\u00a0by non-Christians, which naturally included the classic <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.adw.org\/2010\/06\/correcting-the-sinner-is-not-being-judgmental-it-is-an-essential-work-of-charity\/\" target=\"_blank\">misinterpretation<\/a> of <span style=\"color: #993300\"><em>&#8220;Judge not lest you be judged&#8221;<\/em><\/span>.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve said many times bore that, <strong>even if I were not\u00a0a Christian, I&#8217;d still be pro-life<\/strong>. The arguments against abortion don&#8217;t require a belief in God. The pro-life arguments are scientifically, philosophically and psychologically robust. If I were\u00a0an atheist I might perhaps have some difficulty explaining <strong>why<\/strong> human life has intrinsic value, but it&#8217;s an instinct that I don&#8217;t think I could deny, even if I wanted to.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<h2>It&#8217;s not just a Christian thing&#8230;<\/h2>\n<p>Towards the end of the Facebook discussion, one of my friends wrote the following on the Facebook thread:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;padding-left: 30px\"><em> &#8220;I just hate it when religious groups try to impost[sic] their will on people who are not from their own religious group&#8221; <\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left\">In response to this, I pointed out that\u00a0religious folk<strong> aren&#8217;t the only people<\/strong> who are against abortion. There are those\u00a0who belong to\u00a0no religious group but who are against abortion:<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"860\" height=\"484\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/oFfNUBypo2k?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left\">As you can see, atheism can actually motivate someone to take a pro-life position. If there is no afterlife then\u00a0the taking of\u00a0someone&#8217;s one and only life is all the more egregious!<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left\">I asked my friend if he thought that\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/AtheistsAgainstAbortion\" target=\"_blank\">Atheists Against Abortion<\/a>\u00a0were also trying to <em>&#8220;impose their will on [other] people&#8221;<\/em>.\u00a0I was really quite amazed at his response:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;padding-left: 30px\"><em>&#8220;No issues there. They have reached their position without being told what to think or do to win the approval of a divine entity&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left\">Besides being\u00a0more than a little bit insulting, demonstrating\u00a0a rather\u00a0<strong>serious\u00a0prejudice<\/strong>\u00a0against members of religious groups, this comment\u00a0was a example of the classic\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Ad_hominem\" target=\"_blank\">Ad Hominem fallacy<\/a>. Pure <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Bulverism\" target=\"_blank\">Bulverism<\/a>! Why is it that an atheist and I can use exactly the same arguments, yet mine are discounted because I&#8217;m Catholic?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left\">In <a title=\"March For Life Discussion: Better Communication\" href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/2014\/02\/05\/march-for-life-discussion-1\/\" target=\"_blank\">my post<\/a> following the March for Life last year, I spoke about what we can do to improve the quality of discussion in the abortion debate. I would like to close this post by offering a sincere suggestion to my pro-choice friends: please don&#8217;t say stuff like <em>&#8220;You&#8217;re pushing your religion on us!&#8221;<\/em>\u00a0or <em>&#8220;You&#8217;re only against abortion because what the Church\/Bible tells you&#8221;<\/em>. \u00a0If you say this it looks\u00a0an awful lot like you&#8217;re not listening to the arguments we&#8217;re actually presenting&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Have you ever been speaking about abortion and heard someone who&#8217;s pro-choice exasperatingly exclaim\u00a0&#8220;Stop imposing your religion on me!&#8221;?\u00a0Well,\u00a0today&#8217;s entry in this abortion series addresses that very issue&#8230; Why are you pro-life? Last year, I posted on Facebook that I was at the March For Life\u00a0in Washington DC. 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