{"id":23947,"date":"2014-04-26T07:00:15","date_gmt":"2014-04-26T14:00:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/?p=23947"},"modified":"2015-02-03T23:40:18","modified_gmt":"2015-02-04T06:40:18","slug":"saint-worship-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/2014\/04\/26\/saint-worship-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Saint Worship"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In a recent newsletter from the Coming Home Network there was the first part of a work by Orestes Brownson (1803-1876), entitled <span style=\"color: #000000\"><em>&#8220;Saint Worship&#8221;<\/em><\/span>. In today&#8217;s post I just wanted to post a few extracts since it ties into some of the <a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/tag\/new-ark-response\/?order=asc\" target=\"_blank\">recent discussion<\/a> concerning Our Lady.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/Saints.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-28053 aligncenter\" src=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/Saints.jpg\" alt=\"Saints\" width=\"600\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/Saints.jpg 600w, https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/Saints-300x225.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Brownson begins by looking at love, worship and the things which God has created:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000000\"><em>&#8220;&#8230;love must worship, and it must <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">worship the universal God: God in Himself and God in His works<\/span>&#8230; The worship would seem to the soul incomplete, defective, if it did not embrace the creature with the Creator, and especially if it did not include <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">the saints, who of all His creatures are the nearest and dearest to Him<\/span>&#8220;<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>He makes the point that if say we love God, then we must also love His workmanship, specifically the Saints who are so dear to Him. He then goes on to speak of the Protestant understanding of Catholic devotion to Saints:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000000\"><em>&#8220;[Protestants] seem not to be aware that the supreme and distinctive act of <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">worship of God is sacrifice<\/span>, and that <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">we offer sacrifice never to any saint<\/span>, never but to <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">God alone<\/span>.&#8221;<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><a title=\"Mary, the glory thief?\" href=\"http:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/2014\/04\/15\/mary-the-glory-thief\/\" target=\"_blank\">Worship<\/a> necessitates sacrifice and in the Catholic Church sacrifice is only offered to God. Therefore, anything which we do in relation to Saints, such as asking for their intercession, cannot possibly be regarded as worship.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000000\"><em>&#8220;Having rejected the sacrifice of the Mass, [Protestants] have no offer, and therefore <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">no supreme distinctive worship of God<\/span>; \u00a0and their [highest] worship is of the<span style=\"text-decoration: underline\"> same kind<\/span>, and very little, if any, higher than that which we offer to the saints themselves&#8221;<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>Brownson explains the necessary consequence of other Protestant doctrines upon their understanding of the Saints.\u00a0By rejecting the belief that the Eucharist is a sacrifice, it becomes virtually impossible to distinguish between worship and devotion.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><em><span style=\"color: #000000\">&#8220;Their divine service or religious worship consists <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">chiefly\u00a0of prayer and singing of hymns or psalms<\/span><\/span><span style=\"color: #000000\">, and comprises in kind nothing which is not perfectly lawful to offer to men&#8221;<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p>Within Protestantism, worship is pretty much restricted to prayer and singing. However, these are not just things we do with regards to God, since we also ask our friends to pray for us and it is not unheard of to sing to each other (<em>&#8220;For he&#8217;s a jolly good fellow&#8230;&#8221;<\/em>). What is unique about our worship to God?<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><em><span style=\"color: #000000\">&#8220;It is lawful to <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">love our neighbour<\/span>, to <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">honour the magistrate<\/span>, to <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">pray to those in authority<\/span>, to <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">sing the praises of the\u00a0conquering\u00a0hero<\/span>, and to <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">confide in our friends<\/span>. What in all this is distinctively religious worship, or that which can be given only to God?&#8221;<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p>He then speaks about the central paradigm problem<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><span style=\"color: #000000\"><em>&#8220;&#8230;because Protestants&#8230;\u00a0<span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">believe<\/span> in no higher worship, it <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">does not follow<\/span> that <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">there is none higher<\/span>&#8230; It is not good logic to argue that because they in their worship <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">anthropomorphize God<\/span>, we in ours <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">divinize the saints<\/span>&#8220;<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>Brownson\u00a0then concludes by speaking specifically about\u00a0Saintly intercession:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\"><em><span style=\"color: #000000\">&#8220;The <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">saints honoured<\/span> by offices in the church service are <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">not the direct object of the worship<\/span>. The <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">sacrifice is offered to God<\/span> in <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">thanksgiving for them<\/span>: the prayers are all addressed directly <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">to God<\/span> and only the saints&#8217; <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">intercession is invoked<\/span>. [So, too], in the authorized litanies of the saints and of the Blessed Virgin, the saints are indeed invoked, but nothing is asked of them but <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">their prayers for us<\/span>; which is <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">no more than we all ask daily of our pastors, of our friends, and of one another<\/span>. And why may we not ask as much of <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">a saint in heaven<\/span> as of <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">a sinful mortal on earth<\/span>? Is the saint <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">less living<\/span>, or <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">less dear<\/span> to God?&#8221;<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In a recent newsletter from the Coming Home Network there was the first part of a work by Orestes Brownson (1803-1876), entitled &#8220;Saint Worship&#8221;. In today&#8217;s post I just wanted to post a few extracts since it ties into some of the recent discussion concerning Our Lady.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_crdt_document":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[17],"tags":[400,2548,2969,2578,432,2579,263],"class_list":["post-23947","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-faith","tag-catholicism","tag-coming-home-network","tag-featured","tag-orestes-brownson","tag-protestantism","tag-saint-worship","tag-saints"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/23947","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=23947"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/23947\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":30228,"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/23947\/revisions\/30228"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=23947"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=23947"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/restlesspilgrim.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=23947"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}